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#1 2013-11-25 04:50:45

poplar girl
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Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Okay I am actually too tired to post much tonight but I will soon. I took 12 EOs to the Canadian Heritage Breeds show in Red Deer Alberta this weekend. Another two of my girls i sold this summer that then sold again to their current owner were also at the show and the EOs have a new owner hooked on them good and solid (isn't that right la-chicken if you're reading this :thumbs:)

I had a chance to get some feedback from two APA judges. One of the judges in particular is responsible for the admission of new breeds and varieties into the APA. He did not judge the basques but I bent his ear and stole a little time with him last night before he left for home. I have his contact information and will be following up with him via email as he has agreed to take a look at our draft SOP. His clerk who he brought with him also has some good advice as she is currently in the process of having a new breed recognized.

The judge who actually judged the basques also had some good feedback. It opened my eyes to a few great nuggets of information which I will try to share.

Overall very worth taking some EOs to the show. Two more APA judges have now heard of EOs and I have gained a little more Knowlege and direction :wise:


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#2 2013-11-25 12:04:35

Maggiesdad
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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

:snowman: Arrgh I can't stand it ! :stomp: Do tell! :please:  :excited:

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#3 2013-11-25 14:14:03

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

I must admit I am curious as well. 

Take a deep breath there Glen!!  LOL

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#4 2013-11-25 16:32:35

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

I can't wait to hear what they said!  :excited:


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#5 2013-11-26 03:06:21

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Okay an 11 hour work day later I'm still tired but...

First I should say that neither judge had ever seen or heard of EOs before.

The judge that is part of the APA admissions committee was Walt Leonard. I had the chance to spend about 15 minutes with him and his clerk speaking in general and then we took a look at the EOs at the show. He commented in general saying he felt we were about 5 years or so away from being ready to approach the APA for a breed qualifying meet. He said he was impressed with the uniformity in type of the EOs at the show (all birds I had selected as being breeding quality however). The color we (I) definitely need to get more uniform. He said it is very important that as a group we remain united and focused so that we present a unified front when it comes to our SOP. He also indicated that when the time comes and we set up the breed qualifying meet to make sure we are organized and come out with our best foot forward: lots of breeders with high quality birds that are uniform and meet the SOP. His Clerk said that record keeping and documentation the last 2 years or so prior to the breed qualifying meet is also very important. Each person who shows quality EOs must keep record or which birds were shown and the results. As there is a risk the Judge may forget you and your birds, record the Judge and keep the coop cards with the results.

While looking at my EOs with me Walt made some general comments on type that I found very helpful. I have some pictures of some of the birds that a friend took that I will add when she sends them. Length of the back varried quite a bit in my EOs. As the back is supposed to be "moderately long" of my birds the ones with the longest backs he considered far better. In general he also mentioned the importance of a wide base to the comb as it helps keep the comb upright (that is general to all single combed breeds of course).

The other judge who's name escapes me at present was very uncomfortable judging a breed as unfamiliar to him as EOs. Edited to add the judge's name was Merle Watson I provided him with a copy of the draft SOP as it sits right now. He was reviewing it as he was judging and the color of the Gorria cockerels I had at the show seemed to match the SOP in his estimation. He likened them to New Hampshires in color. The gorria pullets I had at the show were too light and the slow gradient from the blond marraduna through to the light gorria was confusing to him. Buff is NOT the correct description for the proper color of a marraduna hen but the judge was unable to suggest a better descriptor when I pointed out a pullet close to the correct color. As for type, his comments mirrored almost exactly those of the other judge. Look for the longer back. How upright the cockerels and rooster stood he also noted, some he felt stood too upright and did not have the well developed breast they should. He also mirrored the other judge in his comment that in type the birds were surprisingly uniform but color was highly variable.

For the most part the birds I felt were my best both judges also felt were best so that was encouraging.

Pictures soon to allow more discussion I hope.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#6 2013-11-26 03:44:59

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Good stuff! I've been on my feet since 6am, we cut up 620lbs of pork today. I'm plumb tuckered out, gotta crash be back later.

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#7 2013-11-26 12:16:30

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Walt also said to choose one variety and get it recognized first.

And in regards to keeping type and getting color consistent...I think there is some real benefit to continuing to swap some eggs and birds in that regard. To me it's a good way to keep consistency accross our EOs but it still introduces some new blood. For example this year my best colored pullet (people's choice in the "Which one's the right marraduna color post" is from hatching eggs from M&K. Her type however I don't like at all, she is tiny and has a  short back and she has a side sprig. Mated with one of my bigger, longer roosters however I am hoping for a few nice chicks with the right size and color.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#8 2013-11-26 14:46:47

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Interesting!!!!  Glad you got a chance to speak to both the judges :thumbs:

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#9 2013-11-26 22:08:58

Micah and Kiah
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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Great feedback! Very helpful.  What was decided, I forget, are EOs considered part of Continental?

I heard the Nationals is going to be in Red Deer Alberta next year!


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#10 2013-11-27 01:43:08

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

I was asked to enter them under Standard Any Other Variety the past two shows. If anything they would be under the Mediteranian class.

And yes, Canadian National's are in Red Deer this same weekend next year. I also committed to being a Director for Candian Heritage Breeds at the AGM last weekend so I will most likely be helping to organize the show. Anyone want to plan a visit to Alberta?


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#11 2013-11-27 01:52:41

Lisa
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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Very helpful PG!

So we look for long backs, full breasts and long heads (that last from Judge Elton Minnich at the Colwyn)... =D


When all else fails, go spend time with your chickens. :)

Pens are currently filled with Red Cuckoo (Marraduna) and Red Basque (Gorria) breeders, Spitz, and Seramas.

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#12 2013-11-27 13:50:36

Micah and Kiah
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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Yep, I would REALLY like to go.  I had a Reserve Champion Continental at the Ontario Poultry Breeders Show! 
It is expensive to take time off work though.


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#13 2013-11-27 16:14:52

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Great report!


Susan Buttivant at Amblecroft,
Chaparral Pyrenean Shepherds and Petits Bassets
http://www3.sympatico.ca/chaparral/amblecroft.html

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#14 2013-12-03 03:00:47

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

Here is a picture of each of the four roosters/cockerels I took to the show. Can you see any difference between them? The pictures capture their natural stance pretty accurately.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/33ac57ccd40df312847a6b852b04ecd2.jpg
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/f557bc1b583a799d508d81066917f7bc.jpg
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/0e783eedd4216c23bc04f3dc1fcf2aec.jpg
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/cf89c6352fbeaac50f6ce8a620c1a504.jpg


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#15 2013-12-03 14:04:52

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

3, 4, 2, 1 is how I would place them for type.  How did the judge place them?


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#16 2013-12-03 14:44:59

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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

thinking #4 for the best head? (not comb but just head)
thinking #3 for best breast?
but a newbie here. . .
great info PG!
thinking #4 for wings?
:nervous: but I like #1

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#17 2013-12-04 01:32:50

poplar girl
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Re: Feedback from the CHB Nov 23-24, 2013 Show

For type both judges agreed without having spoken to each other. One had not read the Draft SOP and the other had.

Both judges liked #1 the best. He is the mature rooster of the three but even with that in mind they liked the length of his back as well as his not too upright stance and breast development.
#3 was the judge's second place choice again for the length of back, breast development and stance.
#2 and #4 I'm not sure they placed in comparison to one another. They both have short backs and flat chests.

Unfortunately it's somewhat hard to see what the judges could see and then what became clear to me in the photos.

For comb #1 was weakest. The base of his comb is too narrow which makes it hard to keep fully upright.
There was no mention of wings gmb. In the picture I would agree #4 holds his wings the best.
Color, both marraduna had a fully white feather in the wing which would disqualify them. He like the color of both gorrias.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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