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#1 2013-06-28 17:52:13

Farmer Jim
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From: Southern Manitoba, Canada.
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Choosing a rooster

I have five roosters, and need to select one to keep. Among them four are like the white one you see below. Three have been eliminated, and the one here is the only one I'll show just to keep it simple.

The choice is strictly left to color. I really like all the brown in the darker roo, but I wonder if it is a good thing or not. From what I've seen, most peoples Roos (well, the very few I've seen) are very white. Is the brown a good representation of the breed, or should I stick with the white to maintain a certain look?

Here are the two candidates:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/winnipeguy75/ac6b8d8d506a9a399fa9ef31e1916d3a.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/winnipeguy75/e76e2be4692fd3f7e672fb77b86e4f7f.jpg

And this is just a good shot of the colors on my brown guy.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/winnipeguy75/9cf65184e46aae0e8fbfe675d760f93c.jpg

What do you guys think?

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#2 2013-06-28 18:11:59

gubi
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Re: Choosing a rooster

Brown barred is a good thing,  ideally they should be brown barred everywhere except tail, neck and wing tips where they are supposed to be black barred.


Herd of Brown Swiss, a few sheep, red cuckoo basque, Silverspangled Appenzeller Spitzhauben, ameraucanas(EE), Welsummer, broodie silkies and a few more heritage hens

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#3 2013-06-28 19:23:15

Flat Rock Farm
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From: Branchton, Ontario Canada
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Re: Choosing a rooster

I would go with the darker fellow :thumbs:

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#4 2013-06-28 20:07:04

Lisa
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From: near Arthur, Ontario, Canada
Registered: 2011-07-05
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Re: Choosing a rooster

F. Jim,

I remember reading somewhere that it's possible to get the colour to go lighter, but harder to get a darker bird out of a light one. If you are aiming for the Maradunna standard, you are looking for something in between your two lads. I think you are more likely to get it from your dark lad - do you have some lightish hens you could put with him?  That might help to dilute the black on his chest.


When all else fails, go spend time with your chickens. :)

Pens are currently filled with Red Cuckoo (Marraduna) and Red Basque (Gorria) breeders, Spitz, and Seramas.

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#5 2013-06-28 20:24:33

Little Boy Blue
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From: Marble Falls, Texas
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Re: Choosing a rooster

I haven't seen any of the white ones like Farm Jim has.  They are either a Silver [S/S] based bird or else have strong color dilutor like Dilute [Dii]. 

The dark one is Gold, but is lacking the Colombian gene. 

It would probablly be easier to get to the Maraduna pattern from the dark bird than the light ones. My wife really lives the Silver Columbian varrities of chickens.  If I could creat a Zillara Eo flock I would, but I don't want to out cross them to introduce the silver base or to break the barring pattern.

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#6 2013-06-28 22:13:41

poplar girl
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From: Athabasca, AB, Canada
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Re: Choosing a rooster

I would also keep the darker brown rooster for breeding assuming other traits (temperament, size, etc) are favorable for him.

LBB, I believe all the EO in north America are gold based but I have had lots of the white and black rooster, no hens like that until this year I have a few almost white but still toches of gold. So I think it's option 2, diluted alleles that we're seeing.

I am curious to know more of why you think the brown Roo is lacking the columbian gene? Do you think that's why his chest is darks? I don't think any are missing the Columbian restrictor gene, I think the dark on the chest is caused by something else, and I wish I know what! I have used a dark Roo like him a few years back for breeding but I never recall any birds without the black in the tail and hackles as a result.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#7 2013-08-19 03:14:12

WorthItFarms
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From: Atlanta, GA
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Re: Choosing a rooster

If you decide to pass on the lighter roo and are willing to ship him we'd love to have him. We are working on Zilarra and could use him :). We even have a Greenfire line roo to trade if you'd like. You can email me for a quick response : Worth It Farms @ Gmail. com (no spaces)


Located in Chattahoochee Hills, GA. http://worthitfarms.com

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#8 2013-08-19 18:10:03

Little Boy Blue
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From: Marble Falls, Texas
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Re: Choosing a rooster

WorthItFarms wrote:

If you decide to pass on the lighter roo and are willing to ship him we'd love to have him. We are working on Zilarra and could use him :). We even have a Greenfire line roo to trade if you'd like. You can email me for a quick response : Worth It Farms @ Gmail. com (no spaces)

My wife wants Zillara.   

The photos of the Zillara on "La Granja" look amazing.  The hens are nearlly completly white, and the cockerels are nealy white too with the exception of the tail which is jet black. 

I know that you have been working ont he Zillara for quite a while.  Do you have any photos of project birds to share?

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#9 2013-08-26 20:52:52

WorthItFarms
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From: Atlanta, GA
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Re: Choosing a rooster

No my main rooster was killed before I could get any decent offspring from him. Then my hens keep getting eaten one by one and we are down to four (+one pullet). Now that we think we have the predator problem under control, we are hunting for a new rooster to bring in additional blood and to really start the project with. We have a Greenfire rooster we could trade, just would really like another Zilarra type roo.


Located in Chattahoochee Hills, GA. http://worthitfarms.com

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#10 2013-08-26 21:03:34

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Re: Choosing a rooster

Did you see that one in my posts? :pics:

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#11 2013-08-26 21:04:29

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#12 2013-08-26 21:09:25

Amblecroft
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Re: Choosing a rooster

Good luck with your choice.  I'd choose the dark one too.  I've never seen a light/white one like that.  I'd love to see better pictures of the light ones.


Susan Buttivant at Amblecroft,
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http://www3.sympatico.ca/chaparral/amblecroft.html

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#13 2013-08-26 21:50:09

Little Boy Blue
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From: Marble Falls, Texas
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Re: Choosing a rooster

WorthitFarms,

Are you going to outcross to another breed (Columbian Rock or Wyandott, Light Sussex or Brama, etc.), to break the barring gene, do you already have a single barred male or non-barred female, or are you going to keep the barred Zillara similar to a Delware's color.  Outcrossing would be easiest, but what my wife wants is something that is created from with 100% EO blood which isn't possible from our current stock.  We look forward to yours and others updates on this though.

LBB

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#14 2013-08-28 21:54:10

WorthItFarms
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Re: Choosing a rooster

We don't intend to outcross. Just very selective linecrossing. The potential is there, just has to be "unlocked".


Located in Chattahoochee Hills, GA. http://worthitfarms.com

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