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#1 2011-09-18 13:45:35

poplar girl
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Feather stubs!

I need to learn more about the genetics of feather stubs.

Two of the EO roosters I selected as keepers have them.
And one of my EO pullets has them.

The pullet has tiny feathers up her leg here and there and between her toes.
Both of the boys have a few feathers between their toes but not on their legs.

As the writing is sort of on the wall for this year (as in all the other roosters have been butchered) I need to start thinking about who to breed next spring. Am I destined for a flock of feather footed EOs?

If it is a complicated answer can we add this to the list of topics for the genetics study group?


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#2 2011-09-18 20:25:13

Island Girl
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Re: Feather stubs!

I love the idea of using this as our kickoff for the genetic study group unless we are starting with something else, also ok by me :). The first chick that I hatched out of my batch I am sure is a little roo. He is so big and robust and curious and his color is quite orange/red compared to the others, he also has an interesting dark  mark on his head (the only one that has). He is by far the most outgoing and friendly, he is also the only one with feather stubs :P if he were to be used for breeding in the future I would sure have to learn a lot more about this subject. Not that I plan to do any breeding of EOs, I still have my heart set on my BLRWs but you just never know.....

XOX Monika

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#3 2011-09-18 20:41:21

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Re: Feather stubs!

"Certain breeds are more likely to have stubs then other breeds and Wyandottes' are in that category.  Some of the Wyandotte's varieties are even likely to have stubs then other because of the genetic background.  Whites and S/L have been around for a long time and are the original Wyandotte and probably would have less stub problems. The other colors are made normal made from Cochin breeding which will have stubs from time to time.  Once you have stubs it is very hard to get rid of them in breeding if you use the same mating over and over again.  Best to cull birds that throw stubs otherwise you will be fighting it for ever.  As far as stubs being there one day and gone the next.  They probably get rubbed off but will show up again.  Stubs on the legs are easy to see and be caught easily.  The stubs on the web part of the feet are the ones that many miss."

I cut and pasted this from another poultry site (is that legal :huh:) I thought it was an interesting opinion worth sharing here, if for nothing other than discussion. I wonder how much 'science' is behind "Best to cull birds that throw stubs otherwise you will be fighting it for ever."

XOX Monika

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#4 2011-09-18 22:04:42

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Re: Feather stubs!

The literature is inconclusive about this trait. All that seems certain is that it's under the control of more than one gene locus. Some studies suggest two loci are involved, and that at both loci the allele for feather stubs is autosomal (i.e. not on the sex chromosome) and recessive. It's very hard to get ridf of recessive alleles; really, you should do back-crosses of your breeding birds to test for presence of this allele, and then remove from futher consideration as a breeder any bird that carries it.

That statement "Best to cull birds that throw stubs otherwise you will be fighting it for ever." is pretty much the same statement in layman's terms - it certainly rings true to me.

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#5 2011-09-18 22:52:20

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Re: Feather stubs!

Monika, you can just add a reference where you got it and the post number. Its okay to post the names of other forums here :) That way others can look it up if they choose and gives the author credit.

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#6 2011-09-18 22:53:47

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Re: Feather stubs!

Good reminder re references. My info comes from page 174-175, Crawford.

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#7 2011-09-23 13:34:29

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Re: Feather stubs!

Sorry...my real job took over my life all week so I was not able to reply... Organizing and presenting at conference are really quite draining.

So autosomal recessive and at two loci. That will indeed make this trait hard to get rid of. But I am so very reluctant to cull birds for this trait when they have so many good ones (that other birds did not). No side sprigs, yellow shanks, no white in the tail (yet), good color, friendly, nice and wide and big...

Some of the above are also disqualifications for the breed OR more important to the health and vigor than tiny stubby feathers. This is so very complicated.

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#8 2011-09-23 20:40:47

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Re: Feather stubs!

There are almost certainly modifying genes at other loci as well, that influence degree of expression. The genetics are really only partially understood as yet. In any case simple selection won't ever rid you completely of this, you'd need to do a testcross (or several).

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#9 2011-09-24 10:40:02

Young Heritage
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Re: Feather stubs!

So how about someone posting a close up of "feather stubs" so us newbies know what you are talking about =D


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#10 2011-09-24 13:13:58

poplar girl
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Re: Feather stubs!

What a good idea. I will try to find time today!


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#11 2011-09-24 16:56:08

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Re: Feather stubs!

Young Heritage, would you like a closeup picture of my chick that has feather stubs on his legs? He is only a week old but it might be good to see them at the early stage and then I could post pictures as they develop. I posted this other picture of him before, you can kinda see the start of the feathers on the red banded chicks left leg.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/801Islandgirl/EOsday2009.jpg

XOX Monika

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#12 2011-09-24 17:51:05

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Re: Feather stubs!

Look between the toes too, they can appear there and are very tiny.

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#13 2011-09-24 22:01:43

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Re: Feather stubs!

I cant see them in the pics but are you just talking about having feathers on the legs and toes like a Marans?


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#14 2011-09-25 01:38:26

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Re: Feather stubs!

Yes.  Stubs seems to be the term for the leg feathers when they are not desirable!  I can't see them in the pic either, just a touch far away!

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#15 2011-09-25 02:30:40

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Re: Feather stubs!

Stubs are highly variable. Basically, as SLF says, they're leg/shank/toe feathers when you don't want them. Generally the term "stubs" is used when they're small and relatively inconspicuous; not the grand and gay profusion seen in, say, Cochins or Brahmas.

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#16 2011-09-26 04:15:53

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Re: Feather stubs!

Tried to take a few more pictures of my chick with the feather stubs. Hope these are clearer.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/801Islandgirl/EO%20feather%20stubs%20in%201st%20chick/featherstubsEOsSept2011002-Copy.jpg

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/801Islandgirl/EO%20feather%20stubs%20in%201st%20chick/featherstubsEOsSept2011012.jpg

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/801Islandgirl/EO%20feather%20stubs%20in%201st%20chick/featherstubsEOsSept2011009.jpg

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/801Islandgirl/EO%20feather%20stubs%20in%201st%20chick/featherstubsEOsSept2011007-Copy.jpg

XOX Monika

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