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#1 2012-02-16 22:26:03

Susan
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From: Saskatoon, Sask, Canada
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Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Ok so very soon, I am going to go through the oldest chicks and start to decide who stays and who doesn't. What I am asking for is pics of the birds you kept: one pic at 2 to 4 months, and then another more current. I've done it 3 times before, but doing 300 is both exciting and a bit daunting. Also if you want to add anything on what you would look for yourself, feel free to add opinions! PG, are you sure you don't want to come now?? :)

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#2 2012-02-16 22:46:40

Lisa
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Susan,

I think we ALL want to come now! The chance to go through 300 chicks - fantastic..... :love:


When all else fails, go spend time with your chickens. :)

Pens are currently filled with Red Cuckoo (Marraduna) and Red Basque (Gorria) breeders, Spitz, and Seramas.

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#3 2012-02-16 23:06:17

Susan
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Yup come along, I'd like that for sure! -we've decided to do it tomorrow, so need input ASAP!

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#4 2012-02-16 23:57:00

gubi
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

I'm with Lisa.  I wonder if we could get there sort the chicks, socialize and make it back in between milkings?  One thing I would look at is their weight.  I have pictures of mine on my flock thread. look for as little black as possible tail, wings and hackles only.  Leg colour, clavel combs etc.


Herd of Brown Swiss, a few sheep, red cuckoo basque, Silverspangled Appenzeller Spitzhauben, ameraucanas(EE), Welsummer, broodie silkies and a few more heritage hens

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#5 2012-02-17 01:22:35

poplar girl
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Wow Susan, what ages are you having to select from? And what number of cockerels and pullets can you keep?

I would agree with gubi, weight them. Pick the biggest males and females of each age, perhaps the top 30%? And then from each of those groups try to pick the best for other factors such as feather color, no side sprigs, leg color.

Not sure who I have pictures I have...will look...

And I can be there at Easter =D


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#6 2012-02-17 01:38:40

Susan
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

I'm going to start with the almost 4 month olds and go from there. We'll keep about 40 or 50 and up to 10 roos.

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#7 2012-02-17 11:56:33

skeffling lavender farm
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

The other have it really.  Weight of course. You should be able to see what hens are going to be mostly honey gold by then, even if they are speckled that is Ok, but I'd agree the least black or grey on both males and females that you can manage. 

Shape/size

So for shape I'd pick wide head, and neck as signs of vigour, take a quick read of this to the ALBC, also deep chest and general heftiness when you pick them up.  Are they separated by age right now it will be 100x easier if they are, then you are not comparing apples to oranges.  Wide back also, and thicker legs over stick insect legs.  Put the list in order of relevance at this young age

General for vigour
http://www.albc-usa.org/documents/ALBCc … ment-3.pdf

Meat
http://www.albc-usa.org/documents/ALBCc … ment-1.pdf

Egg laying - a luittle tricky just get but worth looking at
http://www.albc-usa.org/documents/ALBCc … ment-2.pdf

Colour

If the females have white spots, I think that is better than black spots, and I'd keep them barring them having sprigs/blue legs/small size, but I think they will molt back to more spotty once they are over a year old. If you see a grey or black mossiness in the length of the tail feathers, on the females try and let them go if you can, I don't think it should be there and I think they may show more black when their adult feathers so come in.

For roos, go as yellow as possible and the neater the barring already, the better I think.  They will darken when they get their 4-6 month or so feathers.  My Sonny Jim was quite creamy yellow and he is lovely now.

http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/skefflinglavenderfarm/IMG_7622.jpg
http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/skefflinglavenderfarm/IMG_8802.jpg

If going for any Gorrias, go for as solid ginger and few speckles as possible, they are pretty solid right from the start when the red comes in.

Temperament

Calm temperament on handling is great, but with that many of then, if one pecks you on the hand, I wouldn't rule them out or worry if they haven't been handled much.  If you pick each one up give them a cuddle, and face, wattles and ear stroke and gently put them down and they stand at your feet for a while, or want to be near you again, that's a chicken I'd keep even if it was freaking a minute before as those'll be easy to tame up some more.  Most EOs tend to be that want anyway but not all.  My Driveby is a freaker and she is not being bred.

Hope that helps, wish I was going to be there too!

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#8 2012-02-17 12:16:15

poplar girl
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Baby Wellie (2 months)
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/30f1f0a4.png
Older Wellie (7 months)
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/e04a520f.png

Baby Gem (2 months)
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/5787348e.png
Older Gem (5.5 months)
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/710a4c2d.png


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#9 2012-02-17 12:23:53

poplar girl
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

5 week old butterscotch (BHR):
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/992cdd13.png
4 month old butterscotch:
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/706c4690.png

2 month old Adonis:
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/9cdb200f.png
5 month old Adonis:
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/9664b2da.png


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#10 2012-02-17 12:34:13

poplar girl
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

So watch for feathered shanks or toes.
I would agree with Claire, white speckles on the hens are much better than black speckles.
And I see the roosters seem to get darker as they get older.

I think around 4-5 weeks old is about as early as you can select from looking back.
I wish I had traced some from a younger age all the way through, this year I will!!

Please post pictures of what you think are your best birds!!!


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#11 2012-02-17 12:57:17

Susan
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Awesome guys, thanks! I have a list in my head of what I am looking for. Kept looking at baby pics of my birds last night, then would have to go out to the coop and stare at the birds. I think they thought I was nuts lol. Then last night instead of sleeping (grr) I kept going over everything in my head!

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#12 2012-02-18 00:31:25

ChestnutRidge
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Great thread, you guys!  I am going to mark this one for when I finally have peeps to sort through.

:EO:

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#13 2012-02-18 01:07:59

Flat Rock Farm
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From: Branchton, Ontario Canada
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

gubi wrote:

I'm with Lisa.  I wonder if we could get there sort the chicks, socialize and make it back in between milkings?  One thing I would look at is their weight.  I have pictures of mine on my flock thread. look for as little black as possible tail, wings and hackles only.  Leg colour, clavel combs etc.

We could gubi.....anyone own a private jet?????

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#14 2012-02-18 01:44:58

skeffling lavender farm
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Stickied, I just added to the title so it's more descriptive for later!  :surfing:

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#15 2012-02-18 02:03:03

Susan
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

Good idea Claire and naturespace! Well I brought home 32. Now, all of these birds are from the whole (almost) of my EOs. 3 very different roos (Sparkle, Apollo and Zeus) and 14 hens. I left one roo and six hens out of the breeding pen for obvious faults. Well the good new is, they threw nice, robust chicks. The bad news is their colours are all over the map. The red heat lamps that make it so nice and cozy for them made judging colour difficult so I felt them for weight, and grabbed the best colours I thought I saw. I will work through them at home in the next week. Then I'll get Pops to post pics (thanks Pops!) I think there may be about 10 keepers Luckily, the group is about 70 percent hens (!!??), so they will make wonderful, friendly layers for people who want them.  My goal was to "see" the genetics at play in my flock. Would I do this again? In some ways, yes, as I think it is great learning tool and obviously increases the numbers, but in others ways, No, I think its best to pair or trio breed to get the best results. Ipf, maybe you could weigh in here as to the merits/ drawbacks of the 2 different methods?  ,

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#16 2012-04-07 03:49:10

Island Girl
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Re: Need to ask a favour! Selection tips for 2-4 months.

:goodthread: I am still paining over which roo to keep from my first hatch of Claire's eggs. The links that you posted here are great Claire. I am printing them off so I can read over them again tonight in bed. I know nerdome at its best! I really want to get this right, when I look at my three roos, one is heads and tails wider and deeper than the rest. He is averaging over 1 lb heavier than the other two roos. He is the one with white legs and a horrible crow. Sigh .... If I am getting some understanding of the genetic talk I believe that the weight and vigor ( his shank thickness etc) is more difficult to stabilize into the bird through breeding whereas leg color and sound of a crow is 'easier' to fix later on once you have size? Anyone care to rehash this with me again :oops:

XOX Monika

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