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#1 2012-04-20 02:56:51

Susan
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Apollo is not well

So for the last 5 days, Apollo has been off. As you know he is the roo in my breeding pen of marraduna right now. He has a stagger, a bit like he is slightly drunk. I found lice on him, but can't find any mites on him or the girls, though I didn't rule it out and so treated him with ivermectin and that awful dusting powder. He isn't improving or worsening. He is still eating and breeding the girls but is off balance. I wondered about an ear infection so might try some ear drops. A little olive oil and grapefruit seed oil could help if their is an infection or mites there. Or I could use drops for dogs. No one else is showing any trouble. Wondering if it could be something neurological. Thoughts??

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#2 2012-04-20 05:06:43

Island Girl
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Re: Apollo is not well

My first scarey thought is Marek's, that is how I have had it present itself before. I lost an adult BLRW roo to Mareks. Didn't think adults roos would get that so I sent him off to a lab and that was the autopsy result. I sure hope its something else Susan!

XOX Monika

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#3 2012-04-20 05:09:50

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Re: Apollo is not well

I didn't think an adult could get Marek's either. I have lost a couple of young birds to it. Fine one minute and couldn't walk the next. I certainly hope that isn't the case with Apollo. Sending good vibes your way Susan. :hug:


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#4 2012-04-20 11:35:04

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Re: Apollo is not well

I am so sorry to here Apollo is not getting better Susan. It seems unlikely it is from lice or mites if you treated him and now can't find any. No one else with any symptoms in the pen with him?


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#5 2012-04-20 12:50:06

Susan
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Re: Apollo is not well

No one else shows anything. I have seen Mareks before and this doesn't look the same. It's more of a bilateral shuffle. Fairly subtle. Almost made me think his joints, or something neurological.

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#6 2012-04-20 13:02:20

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Re: Apollo is not well

Poor boy, hope he is OK soon.  Maybe try some minerals, Poly Vit A.  Could he be at an early stage of wry neck?  Is his bag of food fresh? The reason I ask is in higher protein food, there is more fat and it can spoil lowering the amount of vitamin E suspended minerals.  Looks like it it supposed to be in younger birds, but so was Mareks.

http://partnersah.vet.cornell.edu/avian … isease/521

The parasites may have depleted his reserves too.  Maybe give him the contents of a cod liver oil capsule and keep dusting him.  It wouldn't hurt.

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#7 2012-04-21 00:07:36

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Re: Apollo is not well

I would suspect a vitamin deficiency, I too would suggest trying poly vit a.  I had a turkey like this last year and treated successfully with vitamins.   Good luck


Chickens:  EO's, BLRW, Ameracauna's (blue/black/splash also Lavender) and lavender D'Uccles
Waterfowl: Super dewlap Africans, Seb's, American Blue Geese, Muscovies,
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#8 2012-04-21 00:27:37

Susan
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Re: Apollo is not well

Thanks guys! I will start them on vitamins tonight. I do occasionally add them to the water, but it's been a few weeks. Why only him though? Makes me suspicious. To be honest, if it mareks and he his fighting it, he will forever hold a place in my breeding program. I am breeding for resistance and don't believe in vaccinating for it. Mareks is everywhere. To vaccinate is not going to get it puts it of a flock but to have resistance to it in one's flock would be ideal. Has anyone here lost an Euskal Oiloa to Mareks? I haven't yet.  Would be interesting to know.

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#9 2012-04-21 00:48:45

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Re: Apollo is not well

Susan, I hope the vitamins work for Apollo.  I have never had an EO with Mareks before but I have only had EO's for a year, just "other" leg issues. :sad:  Hope whatever it is will pass :hug:

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#10 2012-04-21 01:18:33

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Re: Apollo is not well

One of my backup cockerels had some balancing issues last summer but he grew out of it.  He was the only one too.   :huh:

Last edited by gubi (2012-04-21 01:18:53)


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#11 2012-04-21 01:28:24

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Re: Apollo is not well

My roos drop one wing and do a side shuffle, but I thought it was part of their "Farmer boy - I'm gonna whup your rear!" routine.  :funny:

If Apollo can still TCoB, I wouldn't think it was a balance issue...


They also do a POP POP! thing with their wings up over their backs that's pretty cool. My black rosters will flap, but they don't have that crisp pop down.

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#12 2012-04-21 01:39:17

Susan
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Re: Apollo is not well

This is just a bit of a dragging your toes a bit too much sort of thing. Very subtle. And then a slight misstep when dancing around the girls. Never seen it before. Haven't ruled put an ear infection. Keep the thoughts coming please! I appreciate it!

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#13 2012-04-21 01:40:49

Susan
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Re: Apollo is not well

Maybe I shouldn't be leaving my wine glass out during evening chores!! :wine:

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#14 2012-04-21 01:43:19

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Re: Apollo is not well

Apollo was also tucking his tail, had the poopy bum. He did the twitchy shake i associate with lice or mites as well.

Have those symptoms gone away with the Ivemectin Susan?


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#15 2012-04-21 01:43:47

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Re: Apollo is not well

♫ "Trying to Love Two Women (or more)  Is Like a Ball and Chain" ♪♫   Conway Twitty   

:funny:

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#16 2012-04-21 01:44:45

Maggiesdad
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Re: Apollo is not well

That was for post #12...

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#17 2012-04-21 14:25:47

Susan
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Re: Apollo is not well

Not really Pg. maybe a bit?  I'll send you another video today.

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#18 2012-04-21 18:40:20

poplar girl
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Re: Apollo is not well

I watched the video, it does seem like he is still having balance issues. Nothing really obvious but he definately stubles a bit.

His butt still looks a bit dirty. Check his vent area again for lice or mites and see if there are any. The mites I find will usually lay clusters of eggs at the base of the feathers below the vent. If you look closely or disturb the "dirt" there they will likely start to crawl around if he has any. When I dusted Adonis this morning I could not find any mites on him but he has such thick down in that region it was tough to see clearly.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#19 2012-04-21 22:16:01

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Re: Apollo is not well

Just reading this now.  Sorry to hear that he is not feeling well.  I hope he is better soon.


“Expecting life to treat you well just because you’re a good person is like expecting an angry bull not to charge you because you’re a vegetarian.”      Unknown

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#20 2012-04-21 23:09:31

Flat Rock Farm
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Re: Apollo is not well

Maggiesdad wrote:

That was for post #12...

:funny: Your nuts :funny:

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#21 2012-04-21 23:57:05

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Re: Apollo is not well

Flat Rock Farm wrote:

Maggiesdad wrote:

That was for post #12...

:funny: Your nuts :funny:

That ball and chain is enough to make anybody walk funny!  =D

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#22 2012-04-22 00:42:02

Susan
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Re: Apollo is not well

Alright there Mr. Moderator. Anything helpful?? :) aside from the humour, which I do appreciate!

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#23 2012-04-22 00:45:33

Maggiesdad
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Re: Apollo is not well

No, just well wishes sent your way that he straightens up soon.  :hug:

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#24 2012-04-22 00:54:05

Flat Rock Farm
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Re: Apollo is not well

:funny: Busted Glen!!  I was trying to find a picture of a chicken with a ball and chain on it. =D

Susan I hope Apollo is better or is he still side stepping???

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#25 2012-04-22 01:54:50

Susan
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Re: Apollo is not well

No he's definitely off

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