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#1 2012-04-09 16:09:02

appway
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From: Moosomin,SK
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White EO Question

I am not really up on Genetics so I have a Question for those that are
There seems to be a Few White EO's showing up First question is does anyone know what might have caused that or are they just sports?

Next Question is what would happen if a Person took the whites and crossed them with a Light  Sussex would they be close to producing a Zilarra  after breeding a few generations
I know the Black is more pronounced on the Sussex but would it dilute some in further generations?
Or would the white cancel out the black? Also The Sussex would have white legs does The Zilarra  have white or Yellow Legs.
Might even consider breeding them to Columbian Rocks beings they have Yellow legs
Just some thoughts
Like I said I dont know much about Genetics so just thought I would through it out there.
I dont have Sussex or White EO's But if it would work I might find a few and give it a try.
if it would fail I guess I would have a bunch of barnyard layers and freezer birds
LOL
Looking forward to answers

Joe

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#2 2012-04-09 22:40:50

Susan
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Re: White EO Question

Sorry joe, those are dominant white and will mask any Co (Columbian genes) or ww (yellow) legs. You would need to start with the Zillara ones like I have here and keep breeding that way.

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#3 2012-04-09 23:28:49

appway
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Re: White EO Question

Oh Okay I figured you would know if it would work
I did not know you had any Zilarra
I thought you just had Maradunna  and Gorria
Well I thought maybe I could do it Sure glad I asked first
Thanks for the answer Susan

Joe

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#4 2012-04-09 23:53:27

Susan
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Re: White EO Question

Well, Joe, I have the start. 2 white Columbian hatched out of my group mating this spring and show promise. I'll have to see if any more young ones show up. Now that I am only breeding Apollo with 4 select girls, I doubt I'll see more  in the new hatches. There are still about 150-200 though to watch for it. Not that I really want another project! I also might get a quad of Hungarian Yellow from Roy and in the meantime am trying to downsize!! :)

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#5 2012-04-10 03:24:59

poplar girl
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Re: White EO Question

The white is actually recessive white but the result is the same. The white ones will only ever be white.

Today Susan and I confirmed that the Zilarra should not be barred using a table in Orozco's book but other than the barring the Zilarra coloring is popping up. I have to say I have a few in my freezer from last year's hatches :chairhide:

The only color that does not seem to be popping up is the beltza (black). And no naked necks either.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#6 2012-09-10 06:45:48

debbiej
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Re: White EO Question

I quite like the Zilarra, although some of the pictures I've seen are boring, some are quite stunning, particularly the ones that look like a Light Sussex.  Hopefully I'll get some to hatch  this spring  :hatch:

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#7 2012-09-17 12:58:12

Young Heritage
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Re: White EO Question

I along with James and some others feel the all white came from someone crossing them with other breeds at some point. Not a sport. We could always be wrong though.


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#8 2012-09-17 18:36:14

poplar girl
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Re: White EO Question

The recessive white is mentioned as something that was cull against when Spanish researchers were working to preserve the breed in the 1970s and 80s. So this is not something that has come about in the North American population, it goes back to the basque flocks in Spain. Can't say how it originated but the origins aren't recent.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#9 2012-09-17 18:59:48

Maggiesdad
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Re: White EO Question

And recessive flaws will come to the top as the inbreeding coefficient goes up...

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#10 2012-09-18 12:52:52

Susan
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Re: White EO Question

So who wants to guess what will pop up next?? :do?:

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#11 2012-09-18 13:13:44

Flat Rock Farm
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Re: White EO Question

Polka Dots :whistle:  :funny:

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#12 2012-09-18 14:24:00

Susan
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Re: White EO Question

Ooh... I like that! :excited:

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#13 2012-09-19 12:31:38

poplar girl
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Re: White EO Question

Done! In chicken genetics isn't that equivalent to the Mille fleur =D


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#14 2012-09-20 00:02:01

Micah and Kiah
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Re: White EO Question

Think we may have the next gentetic oddity.  We call her No Butt.  Not very nice I know...maybe we should change it to Anomally.  If I didn't know better I'd think she was half some rumpless breed.  Her colour is lovely though.  I don't think she would have made it out of the egg without help as it was hard for her to wiggle out...she is a purebred from great stock (Claire's)  Will post a photo of her when we catch our breathes....very very busy just now...


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#15 2012-10-06 21:55:17

Micah and Kiah
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Re: White EO Question

As promised we photographed No Butt. A nicer name for her might be Annomolly.  She is probally the best example of why we should have taken the advice of all of you who told us not to rescue chicks who can't make it out of the egg on their own (with the exception of any we accidently shrink wrap)  We didn't follow that advice and this little girl was the result.  She is now about two and a half months old.  Her feather colour is lovely but she has no tail feathers and a short back.  Poo collects on the hollow above the top of her legs and so she needs cleaned up daily.  Other than that she is healthy, happy and pure EO friendly.  If she continues healthy and happy into adulthood I would like to give her to one of my friends with layer flocks.

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/nobutt1_zps99c2c74b.jpg

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All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#16 2012-10-07 01:52:01

skeffling lavender farm
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Re: White EO Question

Can't quite see her missing butt :huh:  maybe another pic...  :thumbsup: 

We have had 2 rumpless black pennies before :chairhide:

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#17 2012-10-07 02:56:52

Micah and Kiah
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Re: White EO Question

Can you tell with this photo?  She is a pretty colour...

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/nobutt_zps98e9d8dd.jpg


skeffling lavender farm wrote:

Can't quite see her missing butt :huh:  maybe another pic...  :thumbsup: 

We have had 2 rumpless black pennies before :chairhide:


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#18 2012-10-07 13:22:04

skeffling lavender farm
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Re: White EO Question

She is pretty, I have a pullet the exact same colour.  She does have that round bum look our BPs had, the tail just doesn't stick up on them, I thought the body was like a little rhombus.

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#19 2012-10-07 19:00:47

NaturesPace
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Re: White EO Question

nice use of high school geometry. Some days I wish I was butt-less. :funny:


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#20 2012-10-07 22:02:39

Maggiesdad
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Re: White EO Question

Oh puh-lease! :sad:

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#21 2012-10-08 01:39:47

Susan
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Re: White EO Question

Oh MD, you are just one of the girls with that comment now! :excited:

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#22 2012-10-08 12:27:31

Flat Rock Farm
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From: Branchton, Ontario Canada
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Re: White EO Question

Maggiesdad wrote:

Oh puh-lease! :sad:

:funny:, I with you there Susan :funny:

Kathy it's funny you say that about helping them out of the egg, I must admit I do it ALL the time I know I shouldn't but I cannot see something struggling and not help it.  For the most part they do survive and do well, so I will continue to do it.  I have a 3 month old BLRW and it looks the same as your EO "No Butt" .  From what I have been lead to believe is that she has a prolapsed rectum, and I do the same thing her stool, it kind of just plops onto her bottom and gets stuck so I have to clean it off as well.  When yours was a chick did she each time she had a bowl movement sit and chirp with her eyes shut??
I am not sure if mine will survive once she start to be of age for egg laying if that will hinder the passing of an egg as I have never had a bird with this before :huh:

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#23 2012-10-08 15:50:10

Micah and Kiah
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Re: White EO Question

Yes she did but now, besides a messy bottom she is fine.  If she appears in pain passing an egg  we will put her down. 


Flat Rock Farm wrote:

Maggiesdad wrote:

Oh puh-lease! :sad:

:funny:, I with you there Susan :funny:

Kathy it's funny you say that about helping them out of the egg, I must admit I do it ALL the time I know I shouldn't but I cannot see something struggling and not help it.  For the most part they do survive and do well, so I will continue to do it.  I have a 3 month old BLRW and it looks the same as your EO "No Butt" .  From what I have been lead to believe is that she has a prolapsed rectum, and I do the same thing her stool, it kind of just plops onto her bottom and gets stuck so I have to clean it off as well.  When yours was a chick did she each time she had a bowl movement sit and chirp with her eyes shut??
I am not sure if mine will survive once she start to be of age for egg laying if that will hinder the passing of an egg as I have never had a bird with this before :huh:


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#24 2012-10-09 02:34:43

mikencarol
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Re: White EO Question

MD:funny::funny:  Now see what you did to yourself!!!!! LMAO!!  If you had of only spelled that the guy way "poo-lease" you would be OK................:wine:


I have to keep reminding myself... "It is The Standard of Perfection...NOT the Standard of Quantity that we are striving for..."

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#25 2013-07-19 22:45:10

NaturesPace
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Re: White EO Question

Question about recessive whites. Does it mean that both sire and dam have the RW gene?


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