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#1 2011-12-09 02:44:31

gubi
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2011 cockerels

#1 & #2
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/382813_10150402137521227_556756226_8934767_1004323784_n.jpg

#4 & #2
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/377273_10150400406006227_556756226_8930158_1946542630_n.jpg

#3
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381163_10150400398276227_556756226_8930145_937518147_n.jpg

#4 and the big boy
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/387646_10150400405886227_556756226_8930157_237331385_n.jpg

#1 &#2 were hatched in May.  #1 is shorter but stockier built and has a very large comb with a tiny side spring halve way back on the comb.  #2 is way taller but not as wide as 1
#3 & #4 were hatched in June.  #4 was my longtime favorite but had some balancing issues in the fall but he outgrew them with out any drugs.  He is very tall but not as mature as the #3
  The big boy I will use on my 4 yellow legged pullets, 2 blondies and 2 marradunas, but I always like to keep a couple of extras.  The pictures were taken over the last two weeks. 

Which one do you like best and why?

Thanks
Stefan


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#2 2011-12-09 03:55:41

skeffling lavender farm
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Re: 2011 cockerels

Hmmm they all have their strengths.... :love: handsome boys, I couldn't pick a best one, but something tells me I like #1 best.  I am leaning toward less black if all else is equal.

For shape/stature/type most pleasing to me are 3>big boy>1>2>4 all are pretty nice but I think 4 is much weaker  I think 3 is great shape, big, bulky nice curve to his back an nice rooster

For feather colour  1>2>big boy>4>3  I have a few roos a nice shape and am picking lighter guys like 1 when I can.  I know you build the barn first, but it seem like the dark snowballs to very dark quite quickly.

Legs 1>3>4>2>bigboy  I wouldn't rule any out based on this and with yellow legged girls big boy is  well worthy of breeding. 

Don't know if that helps at all.  :whistle:

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#3 2011-12-09 11:04:04

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Thanks Claire, last year I got 3 cockerels and they at the time looked almost identical to me and 2 pullets which were very different from each other.  This year I got some really nice pullets but the cockerels are all over the place.  I did find that the grey breasted cockerels were the biggest when we butchered aside from the crooked toed guy, he was the very heaviest and nicest marked.  I had two that were like your blondie son in color and they had no weight to them at all compared to the others.  I think the Speckled Jim makes nicer cockerels and curly does make nicer pullets?


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#4 2011-12-09 12:41:34

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Re: 2011 cockerels

#3 for his size and shape plus yellow legs. He has too much grey but if you pair him with pullets without too much speckling I would think you will get some nice offspring.

Big Boy is nice. When was he hatched?

And in the last photo do you know which roo is in the background with the other chickens?


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#5 2011-12-09 13:17:54

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Thanks PG, The roo in the background was a small, white legged rooster.  Big boy is my avatar, not his best picture he just happened to be in the shot, he's a son of speckled Jim, he hatched spring 2010.  #3 could possibly work on my honey coloured white legged pullet.  I didn't really notice him until later in the fall, but he has matured really nice.  I think #4 will eventually be bigger then all of them, he has a huge frame but not much meat yet.  #1 to me has almost a Dorking like frame, short and stocky?


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#6 2011-12-09 13:24:52

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Pictures taken about 6 weeks ago of the same roosters
#1
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/297019_10150331320661227_556756226_8647414_852311065_n.jpg

#2
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315547_10150314817091227_556756226_8554691_856886818_n.jpg

#3
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/305875_10150337820961227_556756226_8686710_552412900_n.jpg

#4
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320807_10150314816946227_556756226_8554689_467452223_n.jpg

big boy closeup
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298279_10150314804991227_556756226_8554594_2128460994_n.jpg


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#7 2011-12-09 14:32:28

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Re: 2011 cockerels

skeffling lavender farm wrote:

Hmmm they all have their strengths.... :love: handsome boys, I couldn't pick a best one, but something tells me I like #1 best.  I am leaning toward less black if all else is equal.

For shape/stature/type most pleasing to me are 3>big boy>1>2>4 all are pretty nice but I think 4 is much weaker  I think 3 is great shape, big, bulky nice curve to his back an nice rooster

For feather colour  1>2>big boy>4>3  I have a few roos a nice shape and am picking lighter guys like 1 when I can.  I know you build the barn first, but it seem like the dark snowballs to very dark quite quickly.

Legs 1>3>4>2>bigboy  I wouldn't rule any out based on this and with yellow legged girls big boy is  well worthy of breeding. 

Don't know if that helps at all.  :whistle:

Are you talking about less black overall or in the tail feathers?


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#8 2011-12-09 16:17:29

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Re: 2011 cockerels

YH, I mean over all in the body, especially the breast.  It's OK in the tail it's about the only place :whistle:  You probably want more to counter the white that can (and does) in the tail feathers (and wing) that is a fault.

Stefan, #1 is built a lot like Specky, shorter, more horizontal and wider and 2 is more the taller more slender vertical shape of Curly.  I love the shape of number three, the last pics show them better and I agree on 4, he has a longer back and is going to be big.  I like his back it is smooth and curved, pleasing to the eye and I assume a good chook trait!  His belly is square looking but when he fills out I'd love to see a before and after side my side.  Oh and guessing, I think 1 looks the kindest and friendliest with #4  a close second.

You have some nice birds there and lots of options and it is smart to have a few pens of them, you will save yourself years. :thumbsup:

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#9 2011-12-09 16:18:55

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Gubi, it looks like #4 might just be slow to mature. He does have a large frame and thick legs but he hasn't filled out yet and his comb is still quite small. Maybe behind because of his illness? You might have to wait to decide on him. His color is better than #3.

I have trouble seeing past the white on #1 and #2. I don't like to see that much white in the marradunas personally. The barring looks "dirty" to me when they have that much white.

I like Big Boys type and barring.

Tough choice!


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#10 2011-12-09 16:24:42

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Re: 2011 cockerels

#3s barring is awesome!  I think it is great we are getting some many pics.  We probably have a photo of 75% of the breeding adults in Canada on this site. It is great to be able to track a single bird through it's life, when we see something we like in a mature bird, it will be easier to go back and see what the young bird looked like too! :thumbs:

I think the darker barred birds are more handsome, with the steely grey chests.  I figure as long and my girls are darker I can keep the lighter boys.  I think it is smart to pick based on our own preferences while weighing in advice form others, as it keeps the genepool balanced and it is easier to get something back of we select too far one way.  :whistle:

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#11 2011-12-10 03:28:41

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Re: 2011 cockerels

This is what I would like them to look like! 
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b2cvSY7FYJY/TaasRrpXFtI/AAAAAAAAAPc/Adse-YMF588/s1600/eukal+oiloa.+jose+008.jpg
I copied the picture from this site
http://www.oidococina.morgankompany.com … al%20oiloa


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#12 2011-12-10 03:49:31

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Those are amazing looking marraduna EOs. I am almost drooling :love:

That is what I want them to look like too Gubi!


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#13 2011-12-10 13:45:44

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Sooo,  Marisol Yaben Villaverde (and she's on facebook!) is the photographer... These are the same shots as the other older webpage that Claire hasn't received a response from.

And two other good names to work with for those who might be headed to Spain the the not so distant future!

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#14 2011-12-10 14:11:34

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Re: 2011 cockerels

:love: Lovely boys they are!  Great research Glen!  Will have to check it out!

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#15 2011-12-11 00:08:11

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Re: 2011 cockerels

I like # 3 love his barring :love:

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#16 2011-12-11 00:20:10

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Re: 2011 cockerels

I'm with number 3 as well! Right from the first impression.

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#17 2012-01-03 02:42:54

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Re: 2011 cockerels

#3 grey chest
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401140_10150445101616227_556756226_9111995_246213295_n.jpg
#4 yellow
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/400062_10150445101346227_556756226_9111992_1403387207_n.jpg

So now I'm down to these two cockerels from this year.  We harvested the two white boys, 2 spitzhauben roosters and a fox today!  I didn't like the type on the #1 cockerel and the #2 cockerel wasn't heavy enough.  They were both hard on the pullets and with tonight supposed to go down to -17 I locked them all up in the grainery which is their coop the first time this winter.  The #4 boy needs to calm down a bit still too but I'm hoping with less competition he will soon.

And here is a picture of the old bank barn for Susan.  The concrete walls have 1917 inscribed in them, the grainery however has Percy Morrison Seaforth 1903 carved on the door.  This barn must have been huge when it was built.  The wooden upstairs is still in good shape however the concrete walls aren't so it's just a matter of time before it will be unsafe.  The chicken run the entire upstairs of the barn with the old grainery being their coop but they are only locked up in there on the coldest nights in the winter.  Until new years eve the chickens were still outside in the pasture!  The downstairs has a loose pen for our dry cows in the summer it's about 1/3 of the with by 2/3 of the length of the barn.  The rest is storage.  The fox was in the downstairs part of the barn today!  We were butchering the roosters when our dog was acting funny and kept going over to the one corner of the barn so I went over there and lifted up a piece of plywood that was leaning against the wall and here was a fox!!!  He looked skinny and sick.  I'm lucky he didn't walk around the back of the barn bank and went upstairs!
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395338_10150445102106227_556756226_9111999_1310323625_n.jpg


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#18 2012-01-03 03:23:25

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Stefan,

Those are two big handsome boys!! I like the shape on the first one better, but the colour and tail on the second. How nice to have THOSE two fellows to decide between for your spring breeding!

Was it those two lads that have been hard on the pullets? I've got my cockeral in with the 2 eo pullets while I'm gathering eggs, and gentlemanly he is not! Gotta teach him something about flowers and chocolates.... my remaining 'lorp cockeral could give him lessons...

Are all eo roosters a bit aggressive with their girls? Or will he calm down with age?

My d'uccle cockeral is also very rough, but I think it's because the girls won't squat for him, and it's hard for him to catch them since he's wearing snowshoes! =D


When all else fails, go spend time with your chickens. :)

Pens are currently filled with Red Cuckoo (Marraduna) and Red Basque (Gorria) breeders, Spitz, and Seramas.

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#19 2012-01-03 03:33:58

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Gubi the breast on the grey boy really stick out high up thus his type doesn't look right to me either. The second boy is better for type and coloring I would say.

Wellie has one hen and his isn't too bad. I tried to put a saddle on her as he is wearing feathers off but she did NOT like it at all, over 24 hours laying down or going backwards so I took it off. Adonis does not have a girlfriend yet.


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#20 2012-01-03 03:36:02

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Re: 2011 cockerels

The romance varies.  Specky is a gentleman, hardly a feather out of place on the girls, but Curly though not evil, there is some definite wear on the poor dollies.  They got saddles last year.  Their feathers grew back when they were in the breeding pen with Specky.   

Lovely dudes Stefan. First dude has really neat crisp wing markings too(now I am looking!!)

How big is your barn Stefan?  It looks long!  My sumatras try to go broody in our granary!  Good idea for a coop.

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#21 2012-01-03 03:56:23

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Re: 2011 cockerels

My EO cockerels are very active, if a pullet or a hen jumps down from the roost they all come running.  About half of the hens walk around and are fine but the other half is hiding in the nests and on the roosts.  When I collect eggs in the morning I lock all the cockerels except the silkies and the old Spitz rooster out of the coop to make sure they all get to eat.  The two white boys were the most aggressive towards the hens but the yellow boy is too.  The grey one isn't too bad and the big boy from 2010 is fairly good and tries to keep the peace in the coop, he's the boss. I have 13 roosters and 52 hens.  For some reason they are really picking on my EO pullets.  I'm on the fence about separating the roosters out.  My flock is in that big bank barn with only an electric flock net across that big door at the front and I think those roosters have another job to do by protecting the hens.  I have had hawks flying around inside of the bank barn on numerous occasion but have only ever lost one silkie pullet. 
PG I think the grey roosters chest is just a very full crop.  One of the most distinguishing features of the EO's compared to other breeds is their chest.  Especially in the cockerels.  And that's what the #1 rooster was lacking. 
My plan is to use big boy 2010 on the 4 yellow legged pullets and we will see how these 2 fit into the breeding program by spring.  I have two blondies and 2 marradunas.


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#22 2012-01-03 05:23:45

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Re: 2011 cockerels

Wow I just re-read that about the fox.  Very lucky you found him, before he found your birds! :nervous:

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