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#1 2011-09-22 21:31:06

Susan
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2011 Cockerals

Here are the 3 cockerals I am debating about keeping - I will only keep one. I won't say anymore about them until I see what you guys think




The three together, left to right, Number three, Number 2, Number 1:

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/Susan7935/summer2011blackberry117.jpg





Number 1 on his own:

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/Susan7935/summer2011251-1.jpg



Number 2 on his own:

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/Susan7935/summer2011252-1.jpg




Number 3 on his own:

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/Susan7935/summer2011256-1.jpg

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#2 2011-09-23 00:34:42

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

I like number 2 the best, he has the nicest colour of the 3 roosters.  I'm not sure but number one could have a clavel comb but he's a nice rooster too.  Does number three have white legs? He has a lot of white in his feathers too.  I love how the EO cockerels have such bright red faces right up to the nostrils


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#3 2011-09-23 00:53:30

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

I thought # 2 in the first picture, then #2 on his own too :thumbs: best colour.  I know 2 is sitting but he has a deeper chest and body I think.  Better frame for hanging meat on?

I honestly think all 3 are for game though, none are too dark. 

#1 is next best in shape, IMO, nice and big, not as slim as #3.  He has a funny expression (hopefully not evil) and as Stefan says check his comb, but it's not a deal breaker as his legs are nice and yellow. 

I think roo 3 has white legs like Stefan said and more of a deep toothed comb, he looks more like this years Dad, more slender but still beautifully barred. 

If you only had three, I'd keep em all, but #2 for sure, and probably #1 as well

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#4 2011-09-23 01:34:24

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Okay now after a few opinions, I'll give you the details. And BTW I hate doing pics because lighting and stance change so much of the true picture. Number 1: biggest, widest and heaviest by far but also one month older. Bright Yellow legs. Small side sprigs. Aggressive and top "dog". Best barring.  Number 2 second biggest. Bright yellow legs. Good comb. Least aggressive. Number 3. Same age as Number 2. Smaller. Paler legs bit still yellow. Somewhat aggressive. 
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#5 2011-09-23 02:17:18

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

I would have guessed that on the temperament.  I nearly said it in my post but thought it may seem crazy.  If number 1 was a horse he'd have a wild eye!  So definitely #2, then I'd still go #1 too though in the spring if he's still the biggest, if you have some sweet hens to put him with.

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#6 2011-09-23 03:30:58

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Yep, eat #1, it will make your life better not having him in the coop.

#2 is a nicer boy anyway :thumbs:


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#7 2011-09-23 04:34:12

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

side springs are very inheritable. Temperament is a major hallmark of the breed. Keep number 2, cull the rest. This is a small gene pool, bad temperament can spread quickly.
Best,


Karen Tewart
"The present is best served when we remember the past."

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#8 2011-09-23 18:06:27

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Thanks for this post Susan, it helps for me to 'see' what things to look for! Nice looking birds and I just love the red faces too. Its good that we can use this site to help each other like this.

XOX Monika

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#9 2011-09-24 02:47:07

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

I like number two, Opps I mean I hate number two,
(Maby you could sell that one to me)
:doI?:


Mainly raising Norwegian  Jaerhorn’s, Partridge  Chantecler’s, White Chantecler’s,  Euskal Oiloas, Ameraucana’s, Wheaten Maran’s, Barred Rock Cochin’s, White Silkie’s , Saxony Ducks, Rouen Clair ducks, Australian Spotted Ducks Lavender Guinea Fowl, Welsh Mountain Sheep, Cashmere Goats and Texas Longhorn Cattle.

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#10 2011-09-24 03:24:05

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

:lol: Good one JCE!


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#11 2011-09-24 14:30:06

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Lol JCE!  Peter wants them too!  I think though, that  as much as I like Number 1, we should eat him. I don't want to spread aggression through the breed. Sigh, even though he can be a bit of a bugger, I'm quite found of him. Number three would be okay to use, his legs are lighter but still yellow- the way the sun was shining on him, they look lighter than they are. There are still 4 roos I got from the BHR line to decide on as well- they confuse me as their colours are all over the place and they are still quite young. I still want to use Sparkle but would like opinions on that. You can see his pics in my other post. His "specs"- yellow legs, good comb, good attitude, lots of grey, good size and Dad to all my babies this year.

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#12 2011-10-01 14:24:37

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Ok dilemma here. I don't know if its because they have been confined without hens, but all 3 are showing too much aggression for my liking. I have 2 people wanting them, but am thinking they should not be sold as I don't want to add aggression to the EOs. I do have a younger roo not nearly as well marked but also not aggressive. Then there are the ones from BHR that are totally different colours. They have me stumped. I think they are more Gorrias (I'll try to get pics this weekend). That just leaves me with Sparkle and possibly the young, less well marked roo for back up. Opinions please :)

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#13 2011-10-01 14:51:29

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

I think "too much aggression" is different for each person. One person may enjoy no aggression and others may want some aggression. Not the kind like in fighting games but my personal opinion is if there is some aggression it would be beneficial to someone who only free ranges their chooks. I would think a certain level of aggression is needed to protect the hens in a free range environment. I have had roos that are very aggressive when in a coop and run but let them free range and they become a very good roo protecting the hens. It also depends on who they are aggressive with. I will not tolerate a chicken that is aggressive towards people. If they are aggressive towards people they get the "rehabilitation treatment" and if that does not work they go to freezer camp. They may be too aggressive for you but may not be for someone else so I would not keep someone from getting them if they want them and you do not. Just my 2 cents :)


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#14 2011-10-01 14:58:51

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Thanks YH. That's just it- these birds do have a lot of nice characteristics and they are wanted AND there are so few EOs AND what if something happened to Sparkle?? I just don't know.

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#15 2011-10-01 16:18:47

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Follow your instincts. You know your birds better than anyone else and what you are looking for. You will make a good decision whatever it may be.=D

I personally would separate them "if possible" and see if the aggression changes. Or try some hens with them and see if they settle down.

Remember in Genetics, they may not pass on the aggressiveness to the offspring since the Hen provides half of the chromosomes and the roo may not even pass it on either.

Genetics, its a love hate relationship:lol:


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#16 2011-10-01 18:05:35

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Are you reading this JCE? I think if you want one or 2, you can come get them.

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#17 2011-10-01 18:11:11

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Wish I could come get them from you. Might be a little bit of a drive for me though. :lol:


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#18 2011-10-01 19:14:35

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Susan are they within sight or sound of the females?  Maybe they would be calmer if out of sight of them. 

I agree with Young Heritage, a little spark isn't a bad thing when up again predators etc, but up against people a no-no.  It may be your boys are all naturally equal in the pecking order and have to work harder to find a definite winner.  I find a weaker roo in with a strong barely fight at all, you just watch the weaker one submit right away. 

I find generally speaking roos of the same breed are similar in the pecking or dominance order.  I mean they do vary, but all things being equal, they are usually equal!  In a mixed group of all breed roos, our EO and black pennies are the top birds.  The black pennies are more fighty and antagonistic, where the EO are naturally more dominant and not to be messed about with.  I have two free-ranging (with females) young wheaten ameraucanas roolets, almost identical they are, same size, weight, and every time I look, the two of them are sparring.  Could be your boys are just at that age, and the fighting will die down too when a winner is obvious.

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#19 2011-10-01 21:01:46

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

I sure hope so, I think otherwise they are pretty nice. And yes, they can see/hear the girls. I can't avoid it. I have chickens everywhere!! :)

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#20 2011-10-01 22:44:51

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Does any of them have coronation combs?

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#21 2011-10-02 00:36:35

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Do you mean side sprigs? One has a "bump" on each side at the back, not a full sprig, but the hint of it.

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#22 2011-10-02 01:44:22

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Susan wrote:

Are you reading this JCE? I think if you want one or 2, you can come get them.

Did you mean if I want number one or number two I can come and get them.
Because if you did I would like number two.
( I just found out it is hard to type with a fractured finger)


Mainly raising Norwegian  Jaerhorn’s, Partridge  Chantecler’s, White Chantecler’s,  Euskal Oiloas, Ameraucana’s, Wheaten Maran’s, Barred Rock Cochin’s, White Silkie’s , Saxony Ducks, Rouen Clair ducks, Australian Spotted Ducks Lavender Guinea Fowl, Welsh Mountain Sheep, Cashmere Goats and Texas Longhorn Cattle.

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#23 2011-10-08 23:41:54

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Well, JCE is now the proud owner of Cockeral 1 and Cockeral 2. He also has 2  more hens to go with them :). BTW- I NEVER sell hens! (But he's a pretty good kid :) )

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#24 2011-10-08 23:52:11

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Thank you Susan and I just got them in with my Jaerhons and they didn't even fight wich is good. The started looking the hens over the second they got there. :EO: :jumping:


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#25 2011-10-08 23:58:45

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Re: 2011 Cockerals

Lol, poor girls, those boys have been bachelors for a month! :)

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