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#1 2014-08-26 01:40:52

poplar girl
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Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

A handful of us are currently working and preparing to share with EO enthusiasts all across North America the new association, NABHA (North American Basque Hen Association), and launch the website. One of the things we plan to post is the Basque Hen SOP (Standard of Perfection).

The SOP has been shared and discussed via the forum a couple of times during the past two years but I know as I learn more about EOs and poultry breeding in general I sometimes notice things now that I missed a year or two ago.

With that in mind, below is the most recent draft of our SOP open for comments, questions, discussion. All forum members are encouraged to read through it and freely comment or provide suggestions. The SOP is written in the style of the American Poultry Association SOPs but matches the Spanish Standard for EOs as closely as possible.

:ikurrina: :Canada: :US:


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#2 2014-08-26 01:43:29

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BASQUE HEN (EUSKAL OILOA) – North American DRAFT 2.1 SOP December 2013

Euskal oiloa first came into being as a natural breed evenly distributed across farms of the historical territories of Bizkaia, Araba and Gipuzkoa of the Basque Country (Euskal Herria) of Spain.  Recovery and preservation of this breed began in 1975 when Dr. Fernando Orozco and his team at the Department of Animal Genetics INIA recognized the devastating impact that the use of hybrid laying hens for commercial production of the regionally preferred brown shelled eggs was having on the native breed. Based on this work, Dr. Jose Antonio Mendizabal drafted the Spanish breed standard. The introduction of basque fowl into North America is relatively recent and the breed has attracted a following in Canada and the United States as a result of the combination of traits for hardiness, attractive color patterns, a friendly temperament, and good egg and meat producing properties.

ECONOMIC QUALITIES
A dual purpose medium weight fowl for production of both meat and eggs. Color of skin, yellow; color of egg shell varying from very light to a rich brown depending on the individual, strain and stage of production.

DISQUALIFICATIONS
White in the ear-lobes. Shanks other than yellow.

STANDARD WEIGHTS
Cock..........8 lbs                Hen...........5.5 lbs
Cockerel.....6.5 lbs            Pullet.........4.5 lbs

SHAPE-MALE
COMB:   Single, medium in size, straight and upright, firm and even on the head with six well-defined points. Blade slightly raised from the back of the neckline. Surface smooth and without folds or wrinkles.
BEAK:  Medium length, strong and well curved.
FACE:  Smooth.
EYES:  Large and oval.
WATTLES:  Long, thin and smooth, with a rounded lower edge.
EAR-LOBES:  Medium in size, lying close to the face, smooth and lanceolate.
HEAD:  Moderately large, long, wide and deep.
NECK:  Moderately long and nicely arched. Hackle abundant and flowing over the shoulders.
BACK:  Straight, broad the entire length, moderately long and sloping slightly downward to the tail.  Saddle feathers abundant and medium length.
TAIL:  Moderately large.  Carried at an angle of 45 degrees (45 °) above horizontal. Main tail feathers broad and overlapping. Sickles of medium length, well arched.
WINGS:  Large, well-folded and held close to the body without drooping.
BREAST:  Broad, deep and well rounded.
BODY AND FLUFF:  Body broad, deep, moderately long, carried slightly higher in front than rear. Fluff moderately full.
PLUMAGE:  Feathers moderately broad and long, fitted rather close to the body.
LEGS AND TOES:  Lower thighs strong and robust. Shanks rather long, thick, heavy. Toes four on each foot.

SHAPE-FEMALE
COMB:  Single, medium in size, straight and upright, firm and even on head with six well-defined points. Blade slightly raised from the back of the neckline. Surface smooth and without folds or wrinkles.
BEAK:  Medium length, strong, and nicely curved.
FACE:  Smooth.
EYES:  Large and oval.
WATTLES:  Medium length, thin and smooth, with a well rounded lower edge.
EAR-LOBES:  Rather small, lying close to the face, smooth and lanceolate.
HEAD:  Moderately large, long, wide and deep.
NECK:  Moderately long and nicely arched.
BACK:  Straight, broad the entire length, moderately long and sloping slightly downward to the tail.
TAIL:   Rather small.  Carried at an angle of 35 degrees (35 °) above horizontal.
WINGS:  Large, well-folded and held close to the body without drooping.
BREAST:  Broad, deep and well rounded.
BODY AND FLUFF:  Body broad, deep, moderately long, carried slightly higher in front than rear. Fluff moderately full.
PLUMAGE:  Feathers moderately broad and long, fitted rather close to the body.
LEGS AND TOES:  Lower thighs strong and robust. Shanks rather long, thick, heavy. Toes four on each foot.


MARRADUNA BASQUE

DISQUALIFICATIONS
Entirely white or black feathers in the sickle or main tail feathers. Entirely white feathers in the primary or secondary wing feathers.

COLOR-MALE

COMB, FACE, WATTLES AND EAR-LOBES:  Bright red.
BEAK:  Yellow.
EYES:  Reddish Bay.
HEAD:  Plumage, finely barred with white and golden-red.
NECK:  Hackle finely barred with white and light golden-red with a narrow black stripe, irregularly barred with white, extending down the middle of each feather. Front of neck same as breast.
BACK:  Barred dark golden-red. Saddle finely barred lustrous dark golden-red.
TAIL:  Main tail alternating bars of black and white. Sickles the same as the main tail with lustrous greenish black. Coverts black and white barring, the white barring gradually turning to dark golden-red approaching the saddle.
WINGS:  Front and bows barred white and medium chestnut red. Secondary coverts barred white and dark golden-red. Primaries barred white and black with upper edge golden-red. Primary coverts white and black barred edged with golden-red.
BREAST:  White and golden-red barred.
BODY AND FLUFF:  Body irregularly barred with white and golden-red similar to the breast. Stern irregularly and indistinctly barred with white and golden-red. Fluff ivory.
LEGS AND TOES:  Lower thighs indistinctly barred with white and golden-red. Shanks and toes yellow.
UNDERCOLOR OF ALL SECTIONS:  Ivory

COLOR-FEMALE
COMB, FACE, WATTLES AND EAR-LOBES:  Bright red.
BEAK:  Yellow.
EYES:  Reddish Bay.
HEAD:  Golden-red.
NECK:  Dark golden-red. Lower neck feathers with a black stripe, slightly and irregularly barred with white, extending down the middle of each feather. Front of neck similar to breast.
BACK:  Golden-red.
TAIL:  Main tail black edged with golden-red. Shaft golden-red.
WINGS:  Front and bows dark golden-red. Bar and secondaries golden-red. Primaries golden-red with lower web of first few primary feathers black transitioning to golden-red. Primary coverts black edged with golden-red. When the wing is folded in the natural position only the golden-red color shows.
BREAST:  Light golden-red.
BODY AND FLUFF:  Light golden-red with faint and indistinct white barring. Stern irregularly and indistinctly barred with white and light golden-red. Fluff ivory.
LEGS AND TOES:  Lower thighs light golden-red. Shanks and toes yellow.
UNDERCOLOR OF ALL SECTIONS:  Ivory


GORRIA BASQUE

DISQUALIFICATIONS
Entirely white feathers in the sickle or main tail feathers. Entirely white feathers in the primary or secondary wing feathers.

COLOR-MALE
COMB, FACE, WATTLES AND EAR-LOBES:  Bright red.
BEAK:  Reddish horn, shading to yellow at point.
EYES:   Reddish Bay.
HEAD:  Red.
NECK:  Hackle red shading at the base to a lighter red. A narrow black stripe extending down the middle of each feather. Front of neck same as breast.
BACK: Red in upper parts shading to lighter red in the lower saddle.
TAIL:  Main tail black. Sickles lustrous greenish black. Coverts black gradually turning to red approaching the saddle.
WINGS:  Front, bows, and coverts red. Primaries black then upper edge red. Primary coverts black edged with red.
BREAST:  Red.
BODY AND FLUFF:  Red similar to the breast. Fluff ivory.
LEGS AND TOES:  Lower thighs red. Shanks and toes yellow.
UNDERCOLOR OF ALL SECTIONS:  Ivory

COLOR-FEMALE
COMB, FACE, WATTLES AND EAR-LOBES:  Bright red.
BEAK:  Reddish horn, shading to yellow at point.
EYES:  Reddish Bay.
HEAD:  Red.
NECK:  Red. Lower neck feathers with a black stripe down the middle of each feather. Front of neck similar to breast.
BACK:  Red.
TAIL:  Main tail black edged with red. Shaft red.
WINGS:  Front, bar and secondaries and bows red. Primaries red with lower web of first few primary feathers black transitioning to red. Primary coverts black edged with red. When the wing is folded in the natural position only the red color shows.
BREAST:  Red.
BODY AND FLUFF:  Red. Fluff ivory.
LEGS AND TOES:  Lower thighs red. Shanks and toes yellow.
UNDERCOLOR OF ALL SECTIONS:  Ivory


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#3 2014-08-26 02:35:12

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

Printed it off.
now off to the coop with the notes.

Thank you!


I am very new to this breed.  Bring on the learning!!!

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#4 2014-08-27 01:47:07

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

You go la chicken...and let us know what you see :wise:


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#5 2014-08-27 05:21:15

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

Only 6 well defined points on the comb  :( , I was hoping for at least 7.

XOX Monika

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#6 2014-08-27 11:25:25

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

I wondered if you would notice that Monika, I remember you were hoping for 7 points. 5-7 is the range listed in the Spanish SOP, the APA does not allow a range and our survey last year showed that 6 points was what the most people preferred.

For me I question whether the look of the comb might not suffer with too many points. The APA standard shows pictures of good combs and poor combs. When I look at those picture I see that the base of each point needs to be nice and wide and then come into a point. Combs where the points do not come in, they are just fine all the way up are not ideal. If someone can post a picture of a comb with 7 (or more points) that still has a nice wide base and each point comes in to a defined but still nice and thick point I would be surprised as I'm not sure there enough space!


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#7 2014-08-27 13:11:48

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

Island Girl wrote:

Only 6 well defined points on the comb  :( , I was hoping for at least 7.

XOX Monika

I think your vote for 7 and my vote for 5 points canceled each other out.


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#8 2014-09-10 12:36:32

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

Bump!


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#9 2014-09-10 16:35:46

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

gubi wrote:

Island Girl wrote:

Only 6 well defined points on the comb  :( , I was hoping for at least 7.

XOX Monika

I think your vote for 7 and my vote for 5 points canceled each other out.

Oops, Sorry!

XOX Monika

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#10 2014-09-10 16:43:56

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http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/801Islandgirl/Mobile%20Uploads/Closeupmorethanfivepointsonacomb_zps3255ebe9.jpg

How about this one?

XOX Monika

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#11 2014-09-11 00:32:38

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

Have to admit that's a pretty nice looking comb Monika. But I really think it would look even better with 6 points.

I'm curious as to why 7 points is your preference?


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#12 2014-09-17 11:49:43

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

The reading I have been doing the past week is leading me to believe that we should edit our gorria color description. The Spanish descriptions seem to translate to a brown color (instead of red) for some of the parts of the gorria.

What does everyone think?


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#13 2014-09-17 17:21:35

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

poplar girl wrote:

Have to admit that's a pretty nice looking comb Monika. But I really think it would look even better with 6 points.

I'm curious as to why 7 points is your preference?

I have been looking at many of the pictures we have posted over time and I guess its just a personal preference. If a range is not allowed for the SOP and most people prefer 6 it would make sense to have it at that. I do think it will eliminate too many birds that have other great qualities. We don't have as large of a gene pool to select from as many other breeds do and somewhere in my head I have this nagging thought that its too selective too early. I know that thought process could be related to any of the other traits we are looking  at as well then  ... Just Saying! How come you prefer 6? Is it just a personal preference as Well?

XOX Monika

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#14 2014-09-17 20:52:22

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Re: Draft Basque Hen SOP: Comments/Discussion Wanted!

Island Girl wrote:

poplar girl wrote:

Have to admit that's a pretty nice looking comb Monika. But I really think it would look even better with 6 points.

I'm curious as to why 7 points is your preference?

I have been looking at many of the pictures we have posted over time and I guess its just a personal preference. If a range is not allowed for the SOP and most people prefer 6 it would make sense to have it at that. I do think it will eliminate too many birds that have other great qualities. We don't have as large of a gene pool to select from as many other breeds do and somewhere in my head I have this nagging thought that its too selective too early. I know that thought process could be related to any of the other traits we are looking  at as well then  ... Just Saying! How come you prefer 6? Is it just a personal preference as Well?

XOX Monika

Monica, we choose 6 points mainly because it is half way between 5 and 7 so if a rooster has 7 or 5 points it would only be a 1/2 point deduction per point.  So your birds and my birds would have to be a touch (1/2%) better the PG's birds with 6 points to beat them at a show that's all.


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#15 2014-09-17 22:47:05

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Monika,

I agree with both you and Stefan. If I had a bird with 5 or 7 points, but had everything else I was looking for, I'd ignore the comb (tiny) issue in favour of everything else. The only reason it's important at all is if we are focused only on APA and SOP. But most of the time we are focused on improving out birds in whatever way we see fit.... ;)


When all else fails, go spend time with your chickens. :)

Pens are currently filled with Red Cuckoo (Marraduna) and Red Basque (Gorria) breeders, Spitz, and Seramas.

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