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#1 2013-11-19 20:53:15

poplar girl
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Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

I am not the best of photographers but I wanted to show the diversity of color I have in my marraduna pullets and hens. There is diversity in the color of the feathers on the body as well as how even the color is.  There is also diversity in how much black there is in the hackles and even the tail to some degree.

Take a look at the photos and feel free to comment on which ones, if any, are the correct color in you opinion. Or which ones or parts aren't the right color and why. Not some of the sneaky girls are in the photos more than once...

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/d70b0bf01eb182d48c0376016a67908f.jpg
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/19202a54cbfcdbd23b3aeeabcab0ffbb.jpg
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/7aa9d81acf41ea0c2793bc515180be44.jpg


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#2 2013-11-19 20:57:45

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

And please ignore the random Spitzhaubens and Easter eggers...I think I avoided the cream legbar and gorria EOs.


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#3 2013-11-19 21:41:29

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

More pics please! These 3 examples are really tough to work with...

The feed back I'm getting from Spain is that my pullets are too dark in the hackles. So strictly in feather color alone (caveat digi pics and monitors) the two darkest girls with light necks right of 6oclock in the first photo look yummy. (pullet and apron momma)

And apron momma at 12 oclock in the next two pics.

Those are the ones that trip my color trigger, and I can't say why just a feeling.

That said I wouldn't be ashamed to work with any of them. But with the choices you have in these pics I would pull the most black flecked girl out, and the smallest girl out, and then evaluate for pelvic dimensions. Then come back with who your best 4 are.

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#4 2013-11-19 22:05:22

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Maggiesdad wrote:

More pics please! These 3 examples are really tough to work with...

I can take more photos MD. As for the type and all other aspects that's a whole other animal, I want to keep this about color for now if we can. I purposely provided photos from a bit of a distance with multiple birds so color could be what we focus on. The diversity you see in color I also have in type. 5 of what I consider some of my better marraduna are actually segregated from the flock right now ready to go to a poultry show this Friday (remind me if I ever suggest I am entering 20 birds in a show that is at least 8 too many and after bathing 12 birds it's no longer fun).

What type of photos would you like to see?

The feed back I'm getting from Spain is that my pullets are too dark in the hackles. So strictly in feather color alone (caveat digi pics and monitors) the two darkest girls with light necks right of 6oclock in the first photo look yummy. (pullet and apron momma)

I've noticed the European EOs generally have very little black in the hackles. I wonder why. Is it just their preference or does it go hand and hand with some other desirable color traits?

As for the two girls you refer to when you say "yummy" does that mean no good and I should eat them :eat: or yummy as in good marraduna color?

And apron momma at 12 oclock in the next two pics.

Those are the ones that trip my color trigger, and I can't say why just a feeling.

Got ya, I know which hen that is as well.

I am going to refrain from comment until I get some more feedback. I don't want to influence anyone's opinions...


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#5 2013-11-19 22:43:34

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Yummy in that they look like Kraft Caramels, I could just pick them up and lick them, but    no wait... did I say that?!!! :funny:
:Crazy:

I think the black necklace has to do with balance (color expression), that where too much black shows up in the hens.

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#6 2013-11-19 22:59:21

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Maggiesdad wrote:

Yummy in that they look like Kraft Caramels, I could just pick them up and lick them, but    no wait... did I say that?!!! :funny:
:Crazy:

I think the black necklace has to do with balance (color expression), that where too much black shows up in the hens.

Lick them.......oh my......really!!! :shock:  As usual you gave me my laugh for the day :funny:

Your girls are lovely PG, I don't really have much to add in critiquing them.  I have been striving more for the colour of your pullet in your first picture between apron momma and the light girls.  So am not sure if I am going in the right direction or not :huh:

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#7 2013-11-19 23:55:16

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/900x900px-LL-e717ae9d_MegansEOBasque1_zps34a3a9a1.jpeg

Just for comparision, Meg30000's EO hen's straight from Spain not mixed with N.A. birds

Talk later, I'm procastinating

Last edited by Micah and Kiah (2013-11-19 23:56:55)


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#8 2013-11-19 23:57:41

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Just one of her group has the black on her neck


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#9 2013-11-20 00:26:22

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Megs are very similar to the one I picked in PG's 1st. picture.  Quite a few of the pullets I hatched out this year are looking very close to them. :thumbsup:

Maggiesdad in one of his most recent post are very similar as well. http://forums.euskaloiloas.com/viewtopic.php?id=1786

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#10 2013-11-20 01:21:25

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Flat Rock Farm wrote:

Maggiesdad wrote:

Yummy in that they look like Kraft Caramels, I could just pick them up and lick them, but    no wait... did I say that?!!! :funny:
:Crazy:

I think the black necklace has to do with balance (color expression), that where too much black shows up in the hens.

Lick them.......oh my......really!!! :shock:  As usual you gave me my laugh for the day :funny:

Your girls are lovely PG, I don't really have much to add in critiquing them.  I have been striving more for the colour of your pullet in your first picture between apron momma and the light girls.  So am not sure if I am going in the right direction or not :huh:

I prefer the color of that pullet too.


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#11 2013-11-20 01:53:16

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Interesting. I would not describe that color as "buff". What would it be described as...need two descriptors that mean something to the APA.

And Meg's rooster, I also like his color. Is his wing too red/brown or is it what we want? Need 3 descriptors.

And how would you compare the color of this cockerel to Meg's? Which is more correct?
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/74238b7aa8c32f0f44bdc490b4fba25b.jpg


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#12 2013-11-20 02:37:59

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

If you go to the feathersite picture of a Marraduna rooster it shows a rooster with the dark red/brown wing.  I thought I had it downloaded but can't seem to find it to post.

Here's the link http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGA/ … asque.html

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#13 2013-11-20 03:12:44

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Put some yellow legs on him and I think he'd be rockin' .

I'm working with my friends across the pond to nail down the right color intensity...
I'll let you know if I get something concrete.

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#14 2013-11-20 03:19:56

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Those feathersite pics look wonky to me... the hues are off.

PG's outdoor pic of the cock looks spot on for being natural.

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#15 2013-11-20 11:52:50

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

I agree MD on the feathersite picture, but I think it's the exposure from the camera maybe??

Yes PG your boy is beautiful and as MD added add some yellow legs and he'd be the bomb!!!  Is he the Father of my boy Michael??  I will send you some pictures, he turned out to be quite the looker but he has a side spring on both sides at the back of his comb.

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#16 2013-11-20 15:13:12

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Flat Rock Farm wrote:

Yes PG your boy is beautiful and as MD added add some yellow legs and he'd be the bomb!!!  Is he the Father of my boy Michael??  I will send you some pictures, he turned out to be quite the looker but he has a side spring on both sides at the back of his comb.

He HAS yellow legs just straw yellow instead of bright yellow. It's a fault throughout my marraduna lines. My gorria have nice bright yellow legs. Something else to work on.

And yes Paula, Little Guy would be Michael's papa. It's soo bad about the side sprigs, i had some here too although not too many. My best chicks were actually crosses of lines. I would like to see pictures. Will you use him for breeding?


MD...hopefully you get some feedback from Spain to share with us. I really want to nail down what the colors should be...


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#17 2013-11-20 16:52:36

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Remember, leg color is the product of two things - dermis and epidermis. I think your under color is good, just need the yellow skin (or vice versa lol!). You'll be able to bring that back in with gorria over time.

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#18 2013-11-20 17:07:37

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

@PG yes I will be using Michael for breeding as he (IMO) has so many other good qualities about him and he is giving me a bit of diversity as well pairing him up with my pullets from this year.  I thought Little Guy was his Father as he has a similar build.  I will get some pictures and start a new thread.......soon!! LOL

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#19 2013-11-21 13:38:00

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Look at the diversity of color even in the photos on the Eoalak site, in particular the last two photos:
http://www.eoalak.com/es/content/marraduna-0

Look how dark red some of the hens are in the second last photo.
I think I could call the girl in the last photo buff but maybe she is a bit too light.

I really like the color all of you have described as ideal for the marraduna hen, a reddish buff is what I would call it but I am going to do some checking to see if that would be correct.

I wonder what a corresponding rooster that produces hens of that color would look like? Like Meg's rooster? I want to avoid any notions of male and female breeding lines that are so common in many breeds.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#20 2013-11-21 14:41:09

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

I went out and took many pictures of my flock to share on this post as well, will work on uploading them asap. How many points on your roos comb PG? Also IMO the color of your roo is bang on to what I am striving for. I really want to get a shot of my roo posted here in a similar stance and lighting for comparison purposed :)

XOX Monika

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#21 2013-11-21 15:24:03

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Some of my girls

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/801Islandgirl/20131119_142348_zpse9c16cf8.jpg

XOX Monika

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#22 2013-11-21 15:26:28

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Is this what we are calling Mille Fleur?

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/801Islandgirl/20131119_142507_zpse6a9734c.jpg

XOX Monika

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#23 2013-11-21 18:21:34

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

Monika the pictures are a bit hard to see detail clearly in but I would say:
3 o'clock - marraduna but her color seems a bit off, might just be the photo.
4 o'clock - marraduna but lots of black flecking
5 o'clock-  mille fleur marradulna
6 o'clock - nice colored marraduna
8 o'clock - also a nice colored marraduna maybe a little light
11 o'clock - mille fleur marraduna

And yes the second picture I would call a mille fleur marraduna although her mottles are mostly only white. To be mille fleur I would say the mottles need to be both white and black.

Let's see what others think...


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#24 2013-11-21 20:34:32

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

poplar girl wrote:

Look at the diversity of color even in the photos on the Eoalak site, in particular the last two photos:
http://www.eoalak.com/es/content/marraduna-0

Look how dark red some of the hens are in the second last photo.
I think I could call the girl in the last photo buff but maybe she is a bit too light.

I really like the color all of you have described as ideal for the marraduna hen, a reddish buff is what I would call it but I am going to do some checking to see if that would be correct.

I wonder what a corresponding rooster that produces hens of that color would look like? Like Meg's rooster? I want to avoid any notions of male and female breeding lines that are so common in many breeds.

Are there any three colored birds that breed true to their standard without two lines?

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#25 2013-11-22 00:34:04

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Re: Which one(s) are the correct color for marraduna?

What do you mean by three colored birds MD? I thought ours were 2 colored...black and red (or whatever we're going to call the color they are :P). And i had never heard of needing 2 lines for tri colored birds either way...educate me please!


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