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#1 2012-10-08 13:55:14

poplar girl
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2012 Cockerels

I have made the first cut on which EO cockerels I will keep and use for breeding. It is highly likely one or more of these young fellows won't make it to the breeding pen but I wanted to keep my options open at this stage.

Cockerel #1, Black Horse Ranch Line marraduna. He is 18 weeks in the photo. Reasons I kept him: feather color, yellow beak and shanks, no side sprigs, nice barring. Faults: small, may carry the allele for green legs. Personality neutral to good.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/46d102e1f162d74b233b5eea49320b96.jpg

Cockerel #2, Black Horse Ranch Line. He is also 18 weeks in the photo. Reasons I kept him: feather color, yellow shanks, nice and big. Faults: poor tail barring, may carry the allele for green legs, side sprig, slight pigment to his beak. Personality neutral.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/32fbadf995cd6c826ade1a5a9314625d.jpg

Cockerel #3, Black Horse Ranch heterozygous barred (I will use him with my gorria girls but also possibly with the marraduna). He is 18 weeks in the photo. Reasons I kept him: feather color (he is the darkest red heterozygous barred boy I have ever seen), yellow shanks, no side sprigs. Faults pigment on his beak. Personality neutral to good, size is medium.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/ca94faad8a8d5dc5a2816e43933663aa.jpg

Cockerel #4, Skefling Lavender Farm Line (Speckled Jim's son). He is 21 weeks old in the photo. Reasons I kept him: nice yellow shanks and beak (almost no pigment), big, no side sprigs, no white tail feathers early on (he will have them). Faults: poor barring and very light color, short tail. Personality neutral.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/ddd0050a85f8904e8cfb6cc8cd949df5.jpg

Cockerel #5, Black Horse Ranch Line (son of The Big Guy, the BHR original foundation rooster from Quebec). Pink (his leg band color at hatch) is his name. He is 24 weeks old in the photo. Reasons I kept him: Big, yellow beak and shanks, no white tail feathers so far, nice barring. Faults: feather color too much grey, side sprigs. Personality very forward even as a chick so we shall see.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/dd9eead57a51ee842cf64041a586a2e3.jpg

So what do you guys think?


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#2 2012-10-08 14:13:21

Susan
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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Wow! I think between the five you have every good trait covered! ( maybe personality needs one more). My BHR Roos are so different. (yes I promise to do pics soon! :chairhide: ). I can't wait to see the hens that you pair them up with- what a great group to attempt spiral breeding with. Think I like Pink and cockerel one best , though I'd give him your biggest hens. The hetero gorria dude is awesome! Should throw some nice babies! Nice choices PG.

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#3 2012-10-08 14:30:16

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Thanks Susan :) I hope I have my bases covered but only time will tell.

My tentative plan for spring is some pair breeding early on with what I think are the best pullets to mate these guys up with. My new system should allow 2 hens to be mated with each roo and still keep track of which hen laid the eggs...details later when we actually get the pens built. Then a little later in the spring i plan to try a few group matings, probably with 4-6 hens in with each rooster.

I forgot to mention, no feather stubs on the boys this year although some of the pullets I have selected do have them.

There are 15 new pullets (3 gorria, 12 marraduna) to go with these lads, I'll try to get pictures but that might not be for a few weeks. And then I also have 6 marraduna hens and 2 gorria hens from last year as well to choose from for breeding.

Please everyone cross your fingers and toes the preditors stay way until I can safely lock them up for winter!!!


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#4 2012-10-08 16:07:23

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Number 5, Pink looks like he has the best shape and size.

Number 3 is really interesting. I love seeing all the different colors. So Hetero means...? Two barring genes?

Hope your birds are safe until you get them locked up tight. :chook:


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#5 2012-10-08 16:19:35

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

NP, heterozygous for barring means he has only 1 allele for barring instead of two. Barring is sex linked in poultry so males can have either 1 or 2 alleles for it and females have only 1.  If you look back in the genetics study group information we talked about this quite a bit.

I agree Pink has nice type and that is why I kept him (I should have added that to my list of reasons for choosing him, he is not just big :oops:). Some of the younger cockerels have good potential as well though I think, they are just starting to fill out.


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#6 2012-10-08 16:30:14

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

BHR have nice tails.  What handsome dudes they all are. :love:  Specky's boy looks like him (I could have guessed his parentage) and though he is handsome in my eyes because he is a sweetie, there is  lot of white especially at your boys age.   I like Pinks shape the best, he has  a nice plump round shape but is older, the others will fill out too.  Your red dude is not far off the Gorria, just that barring.  Can't wait to see what chicks they father.  :thumbs:

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#7 2012-10-08 16:31:26

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Nice group of boys and very well explained for new people to the breed!  I'm very glad for the EO breed that you are doing such a great job with them.  Some day you will have 4 cockerels that meet all the requirements of the standard.  You will have your hands full trying to keep everyone straight and paired up the way you want.  Do you have pictures of their parents to compare to?


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#8 2012-10-08 16:49:32

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Claire, I agree Specky's son does look a lot like his daddy and he is very light. I wanted to keep a rooster that is purely from your flock and I think he was the best I hatched. A couple others I excluded due to really funny looking combs and a couple more due to curled toes. A few more were not chosen for white feathers in the tail already or for poor type.

Gubi, you are putting too much faith in my progress so far, not a single one of these cockerels is the result of my breeding this year so no pictures of the parents to show you :oops: The nicest cockerel I hatched from my own pair matings had very bad feather stubs and a side sprig (although beautiful size and type).The second best had the worst temperament I have ever encountered in a young cockerel (along with the most beautiful feather coloring I have ever seen) so he is in the freezer as well.

For the pullets I did better with my pair mating results although none are without their faults. I promise to share pictures when I get the chance.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#9 2012-10-08 17:45:30

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

I personally like cockerels 1, 2 and 5.  The feather colour of 1 and 2 are great, even though # 5 is lighter and has sprigs he has a good shape.

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#10 2012-10-08 18:00:34

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

:goodthread: As a newbie I found this thread very helpful!  Sounds like the experienced folks are giving great advice.  thank you for shaing :pics:


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#11 2012-10-09 02:13:43

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Me toooooooooooooooo. :thumbs: I really appreciate you established breeders posting so us new people can learn.  Listing the good qualities and the faults also helps...honestly, sometimes I don't see a fault until someone points it out. :huh: PG..thanks again for your pics....Beautiful birds


I have to keep reminding myself... "It is The Standard of Perfection...NOT the Standard of Quantity that we are striving for..."

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#12 2012-11-01 02:32:03

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Hey PG, are you using that computer program to track your pairings and pedigrees?


If so, how's that working so far? I'm really interested in that.  :surfing:

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#13 2012-11-01 11:28:48

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

MD, right now I am using my memory, colored leg bands (each pair has a color and some individual also have a color combination) and my wall calendar to track each pair mating (# eggs, # hatched, any heath problems (culls) and # kept). I have numbered leg bands to put on the keepers as well. I also have a photo record of some.  I do fully intend to transfer the info into the computer program as soon as I can find time. I like the program but I do almost everything on my iPad and it will only run on a laptop so that's the biggest drawback.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#14 2012-11-02 22:18:48

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

I like #1 and #5 best, but #3 looks amazing for the Glorria project

Seeing all of these guys makes me wish that I could keep 6 cockerels.


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#15 2013-01-25 23:34:47

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

So today I was evaluating my birds to try to decide on breeding pairs. The weights surprised me a bit, The smallest (Pink) seemed much bigger at the time of the photos above but I guess it shows how important it is to only compare young birds of the same age.

Cockerel #1 (BHR) 6.5lbs @ 8 months. He was the dominate rooster when in the laying coop with #2 and #3. Has remained well behaved with me.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/3780b610bb3d3d31b31e92d23dd51d87.jpg

Cockerel #2 (BHR) 7 lbs @ 8 months. Behavior with me has been good.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/915549fcedd4a14ac145706fd5794756.jpg

Cockerel #3 (BHR) 7 lbs @ 8 months. Red is a lover not a fighter, avoided all confrontation when in with other Roos and really likes people.
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/4cc355c24dfb7a6d01308412e27e8d05.jpg

Cockerel #4 (SLF) 8 lbs @ 8.5 months. Has shown aggression to me but not too bad yet. Huge comb and lots of white in his tail (other boys almost none).
http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/sulzmi/Euskal%20oiloa/786f0370872b03cb7dfe166b0f51d5ed.jpg

Cockerel #5 (BHR) 6 lbs @ 9.5 months. Pink has remained well behaved with me. I don't plan to use this guy for breeding.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#16 2013-01-26 21:18:27

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

#3 looks a lot like my Welsummer/EO mixes. Does his tail have barring or is it solid black?
I guess those crosses would hetro for barring too.


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#17 2013-01-26 22:32:33

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Adding pictures of the 4 I plan to use for breeding this year to yesterday's post with the weights, they have changed a lot.

NP, #3 really doesn't have much for barring in his tail feathers, just a tiny hint of grey to a couple. Mostly they are black with some beetle green iridescence to them. He also has a tiny little bit of white on a couple but very little.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#18 2013-01-27 05:09:41

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Thanks for adding photos. My guys look almost identical to him. I'll post some photos in a few weeks when they a bit bigger.
Because I'm so new to genetics, if they are EO[sire] and Welsummer (damn) they would be heterozygous?
I guess the non-visible genes are a lot different thou.


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#19 2013-01-27 06:32:22

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

....Shame on you Heidi......the Momma is a DAM....not a DAMN.   Now you are gonna have to go to time-out with MD!!!!!!!  :funny:........well maybe some of them ARE in fact DAMN...............LOL!!!!!!!!!     Mike


I have to keep reminding myself... "It is The Standard of Perfection...NOT the Standard of Quantity that we are striving for..."

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#20 2013-01-27 13:23:15

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

=D See how nice those letters would have worked?  C H K P I'm telling you, don't have to write out any of those sketchy words!! :whistle:

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#21 2013-01-27 15:15:05

poplar girl
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Re: 2012 Cockerels

NaturesPace wrote:

Thanks for adding photos. My guys look almost identical to him. I'll post some photos in a few weeks when they a bit bigger.
Because I'm so new to genetics, if they are EO[sire] and Welsummer (damn) they would be heterozygous?
I guess the non-visible genes are a lot different thou.

Ignoring the boys...

Yes, your EO/welsummer cockerels will be heterozygous barred so in that respect the same as Red. I am not that familiar with the genetics of welsummers so can't comment on what other genes the cross will have resulted in.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#22 2013-01-28 04:06:12

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

Magnificent boys! Number 1's markings are mesmerizing an he is slender and elegant :love:  Is the SLF dude taller, he doesn't look as thick in the body as your #2 and 3, I guess his outline is camouflaged as he is so light.  I think I like #2 best. I like his wide flat front. :thumbs:

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#23 2013-01-28 05:30:19

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Re: 2012 Cockerels

I can't decide between #2 and #3, they are both beautiful.:love:  Can you post any shots from directly above them? How is the comb on #2? Close ups please :thumbsup:

XOX Monika

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