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#1 2012-08-15 16:23:33

Micah and Kiah
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Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

I have 7 four week old EOs that I figure are too young yet to really see which should be in the breeding program.  Please help me sort through these 15 EOs and tell me who would be great breeding stock.
If you need different angles let me know.  Thank you in advance for your wisdom!

The following 15 EOs are between 10 to 12 weeks of age:

First three are my first EOs I hatched:

very light pullet with straight toes and yellow legs, this is a close up as otherwise she looks white:

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/4be64eed.jpg

Yellow legs, straight toes but slight side sprig Elevator (updated to today's photos)

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/5221103c.jpg
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/e11921cc.jpg
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/9180421c.jpg


Elevator was a SP EO egg

The next is Paul from eggs Paula gave me.  Paul has yellow legs and straight toes too:

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/ccd0c25b.jpg
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/688fe4aa.jpg
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/e514aeec.jpg


I'll submit this and then post the next two groups:  5 that were eggs SLF purchased from Susan.  Lisa bought the Gorria's and I bought the other five.  The other 7 are others I bought from Claire from her stock. I won't include any crooked toed or really grey chicks

Last edited by Micah and Kiah (2012-08-15 21:10:21)


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#2 2012-08-15 18:49:26

Flat Rock Farm
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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

The pullet (if I could see the rest of her) looks like a lighter version of the "millie"???  Not sure what anyone else thinks, but I would use Paul myself.  He has no springs and I just prefer the darker barring myself??
Both boys are handsome :thumbsup:

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#3 2012-08-15 19:16:29

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

of the cockerels so far, Paul is nicer. Will be good to see the others. I'm not hatching any eggs from crooked toe chickens. I think it's genetic with EOs.


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#4 2012-08-15 21:13:00

Micah and Kiah
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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Flat Rock Farm wrote:

The pullet (if I could see the rest of her) looks like a lighter version of the "millie"???  Not sure what anyone else thinks, but I would use Paul myself.  He has no springs and I just prefer the darker barring myself??
Both boys are handsome :thumbsup:

Thanks!  Yes, the pullet is like a light Mille.  I have lots of those, hopefully I can get the photos to post!:banginghead:


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#5 2012-08-15 21:38:53

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

:banginghead:Trying for the seventh time to post my other photos.  Photobucket freezes my computer.

NaturesPace I updated Elevator's photos to his natural look, in the others he was stretching to get away as it was a hot day.

Ok, maybe I am about to post the 5 chicks from Susan.  SLF bought eggs from Susan for the Gorria project.  Lisa purchased those and I bought the remaining 5.  Hopefully you are about to see them

My favourite pullet:

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/d424d461.jpg

Last edited by Micah and Kiah (2012-08-15 21:42:22)


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#6 2012-08-15 21:40:49

Micah and Kiah
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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/db32d65f.jpg

My little deer pullet from Susan


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#7 2012-08-15 21:46:19

Micah and Kiah
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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

My three deep reds from Susan 

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/874ffac8.jpg

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/6ad0a9c3.jpg

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/63a7257f.jpg


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#8 2012-08-15 21:49:37

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Ok, if those photos came through I'll try posting the remaining chicks I purchased from SLF.  There should b 7 photos.


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#9 2012-08-15 21:53:56

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

The angles on the phtos aren't great it was hot and no one wanted their photo taken.  If any aren't clear enough let me know and I will retake


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#10 2012-08-15 22:00:00

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Band #96 Curly's Kid
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/97166b5d.jpg

A deer type I think a pullet
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/2ad48ca9.jpg


http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/2ec525cb.jpg


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#11 2012-08-15 22:07:51

Micah and Kiah
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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/a4ea0dc6.jpg

Band 95 has quite a side sprig (above photo)

Another boy

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/a9eeae83.jpg

And little miss camera shy getting ready to jump:

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/27b43893.jpg



Well, that is who I have except for the wee wee ones.  Please let me know who is male or female who is breeding stock, pet stock or soup stock


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#12 2012-08-15 23:54:05

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

I hate to be the barer of bad news but your favorite pullet is a very handsome rooster and so are all 3 red boys from Susan. Little miss camera shy is a very nice pullet and so is the one you call deer coloured in post #10 she will turn into a decent marraduna but could possibly have too much black.  Post #6 is a deer coloured pullet.  I think all the rest are roosters.  I can only see the back of the head on the very first picture but mine with that coloring have all been boys.
You know I like Elevator a lot and wish I had one like him minus the side spring of course.  I was lucky this year and didn't hatch any EO's with side springs so I don't believe they are as big of a problem as we first thought. 
For breeders I would keep back Elevator and "your favorite pullet" for cockerels and for hens I would keep pullet in post #10 picrure 2 and little miss camera shy


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#13 2012-08-16 02:12:26

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Thanks Gubi!  I am new at this and still make mistakes about pullets and cockerals often.:oops: I seem to have a ton of boys!   Oh dear... here is a closeup of my favourite 'pullet's face
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/94b919c2.jpg
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q503/MicahandKiah/0037976e.jpg

Two boys and two girls is a start.  So Elevator's little side sprig shouldn't be a dominant herediatry trait?  I am hoping not...

Hopefully the 4 week olds are all pullets!  One of them has a crooked toe and another has no butt so 5 pretty pullets would be awesome:excited:


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#14 2012-08-16 04:16:13

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

I totally agree with Gubi. Despite the side sprig, I very much like Elevator. I would use him with Miss Camera Shy

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#15 2012-08-16 04:22:41

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

As for the Gorria boys, I wish they weren't showing so much black. I'm surprised to see how dark the first boy's beak is. A work in progress for sure.

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#16 2012-08-16 11:34:56

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Elevator is nice, I have a similar boy (including a side sprig) that I am considering keeping. I think he does have a crooked toes though which is usually genetic in the EOs so may preclude you from using him for breeding. Paul and "your favorite" pullet are nice too. For the boys I often try to balance selection of the right colors with selecting for a nice big size.

The deer type pullet #2 and miss camera shy are the right color for a marraduna pullet. Again I try to balance color, side sprigs etc. with size when selecting.

Of the three gorria (red) roosters, the last one with the least black is probably the best from a color perspective. It's hard to tell body shape etc. from the photos as those boys weren't too happy to pose for you.

Thank you for taking the time to post all these photos, I know how frustrating it can be.

The almost white pullet (you are sure she is a pullet?) and the lady grey from Susan you could easily keep as pets if they are friendly, I love to see the different colors in an EO flack even if they don't have the colors they are supposed to.


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#17 2012-08-16 12:10:17

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

I can't see crooked toes on Elevator in this set... what are you seeing, PG?

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#18 2012-08-16 12:44:35

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Hoping I am wrong MD...second pic of Elevator with the front on view, his left foot middle toe (so on the right side of the picture) it looks crooked :huh:


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#19 2012-08-16 12:46:16

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

but it does look straight in the 3rd picture if anything it would bend the other way?


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#20 2012-08-16 13:32:01

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Sometimes my boys' middle toes will lay left or right depending on what the toenail hangs on...  :huh:

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#21 2012-08-16 14:48:15

Micah and Kiah
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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

FRF, you are a rascal!  I guess you are right, the very light Mille is probally a cockeral.  :huh:

Wow, thank you so much for your help!  It is really hard to know what to do as a rookie.  I see that I put two of Curly's kid photos up by mistake which means I have one more chick photo to show you!  Hopefully it is a pullet photo. To answer some of your questions, yes, Elevator's toes are straight.  My TPC was sleepy and wanted to cuddle for an afternoon nap and Elevator had to dodge around her. 

All of the chicks in the photos have straight toes.  After carefully reading over the APA style breed descriptions on the site I felt confident in deciding on not posting the very grey or the crooked toes.  I clearly don't know boys from girls yet :oops:  Gotta work on that!  I think I am getting a hang on what a Maradunna roo should look like based on what you are saying...Paul, Elevator and my favourite pullet from Susan are all great looking boys?  Side springs aren't a dominant genetic trait?  Yellow legs are? The "pulet" roo has almost florescent yellow lighyly painted over white.  Don't know how else to describe those legs.
What degree of dark barring is closest to our standard? Paul has the darkest barring and the pullet boy is likely just two weeks younger than the two boys I raised so thats is why he is smaller right now.  How many cockerals should I keep when I have so few pullets for them to mingle with?
I am really confused about what to look for in a pullet, so the shy girl, the deer girl in post 10 (am I calling that colour by the right term?)  Would the deer girl in post 6 be ok for breeding or shoudl I keep her for the layer only group?  Is just Shy Girl the only pullet I have for a strong breeding program and the other two should be in the layer only group?  We will have a seperate layer only group so it is ok, we can be very picky and selective in choosing top quality breeding maradunna stock.

What do I need to look for in a strong Maradunna pullet?

I am going back through my photos today to see if I made some posting errors, I was getting really frusterated and confused.  I must have more than three girls out there...

I did give away a beautiful Mille EO pullet on Monday.  One of my closest friends wanted three pullets to raise and keep as pets and for the eggs too.  I gave him a colourful mille, an olive egger and a partridge Chantie.  He and the kids are very excited.  They build a lovely field and the pullets have a super coop too.  They will be spoiled rotten.  It made me feel SO HAPPY to give them those three lovely girls.  I told them that if I messed up and gave them a boy by mistake to bring him back and we'll trade.

I don't have any Gorrias except for those three boys so if anyone is working on the Gorria project you may have your pick of those boys for free.  I would also like to give someone in the EO group the other one or two best breeding roos. (once you tell me how many roos I should keep)  I'd like to share with you the way you have all with me, it would make me very happy:excited:

Paula, maybe the egg that you gave me and became Paul will come home to you as a gorgous young boy?


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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#22 2012-08-16 15:02:10

Flat Rock Farm
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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Thanks Kathy but no thanks have two roos already for next year.  Unless one of them decides he likes me instead of his hens :stomp:  Is he all that hatched from the six eggs you got from me???

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#23 2012-08-16 16:04:20

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Flat Rock Farm wrote:

Maggiesdad wrote:

Sometimes my boys' middle toes will lay left or right depending on what the toenail hangs on...  :huh:

Oh my....this could be taken in another way :whistle:.   :funny: (I'm sorry :oops:)  You can ban me now :nervous:

Wut?!

Woops! Didn't see that one...

Bad Paula! No biscuit! Got to the corner! http://vagunforum.net/images/smilies/acute.gif

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#24 2012-08-16 16:43:08

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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Oh Paula :oops::shock::shock: Honestly folks I'm sure she didn't mean that!!!


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#25 2012-08-16 17:17:27

Micah and Kiah
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Re: Who make the cut for breeding stock? photo heavy post

Yep.  I was still pretty new to the hatching business and must have messed up.

Flat Rock Farm wrote:

Thanks Kathy but no thanks have two roos already for next year.  Unless one of them decides he likes me instead of his hens :stomp:  Is he all that hatched from the six eggs you got from me???


All the best,

Kiah and Micah

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