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#1 2012-06-21 19:12:21

WorthItFarms
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It's Time to Choose

We have been "snooping" around on here and BYC trying to decide for ourselves which roosters to keep and who should be bred together. There are two groups, from two breeders.

Greenfire Farms pair - Hatched ~March 6th (15 weeks old)

Skyline Poultry group (5 Roos, 5 hens) - Hatched ~Feb 19th. (18 weeks old)

We still have several more weeks before egg laying will begin, but all the boys are starting to get "testy". And they are practicing mounting. I have LOTS of photos, because I'm trying to make up for the poor photo quality and lack of good stance on them.

We can probably keep two boys, MAYBE three. They would need to be for different "projects" though and have a hen that would match with them.

Let the critiques begin :)

Though I plan to keep both of the Greenfire chickens, they are pictured here to show what type of birds are on hand.

Rooster - "feeling his oats" lately. Fence fights with the small dog. Dances around our feet.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0992.jpg

Hen- curious, likes to see what's going on and visit with guests who come by.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0994.jpg




Now the Skyline Poultry group

Rooster #1: "Big Red"
Very wide on top, largest rooster, always the first one over to, very brave/arrogant -usually attempting to fight with my feet by dropping his wing, flaring up, and walking/running in circles around me.
Side
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0054.jpg
Other Side
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0046.jpg
Front, compared with Rooster #2
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0041.jpg
Top compared to Millie-like Hen
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0018.jpg

Rooster #2: "Big White"
Was the first rooster to reach a reasonable size. Big Red has surpassed him now, but he used to be the biggest rooster. Always 2nd in line to "fight" with my feet and/or anything that's causing a ruckous in the field.
Side
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0029.jpg
Other Side
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0036.jpg
Front
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0038.jpg
Crowing, LOL
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0037.jpg
Top compared to our Millie-like hen
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0023.jpg

Rooster #3: Dark Knight
Smallest, less developed comb, not pushy, but curious. Mostly reserved.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0026.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0022.jpg
He's in the middle, with Big White on the right of him.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0025.jpg

Rooster #4: No name
Also reserved, will come up to check things out. Otherwise don't notice him.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0998.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0024.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0003.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0004.jpg

Rooster #5: Thunder thighs
All I really notice about this guy is that he stays with the hens and has huge thighs. He's never engaged me. Prefers to watch from a distance.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0048.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0049.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0051.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0033.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0031.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0019.jpg


Could only find 3 of the hens to photograph before camera died. The other two pretty closely fit the Marraduna color pattern. Can't remember the leg colors, but I think they are white and willow.

Hen #1: Little Ann- dumbest of them all. NEVER figures out how to get in the coop the first time. Always has to walk in circles around it looking. LOL
On the right
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0017.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0028.jpg

Hen #2: Millie - more skittish than all the others, smallest
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0027.jpg

Hen #3: Big Mama - big and not too bright. Usually just stands outside the coop at bedtime and looks lost. I slowly guide her in most nights.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/Euskal%20Oiloa%20Chickens/IMGA0996.jpg

The other hens are adventurous and have figured out that hanging with the goats in a different pasture is much more fun. They are clever and quick. Pretty spot-on for the breed I'd think. They aren't fussy, or aggressive, or overly pushy.

Thanks for any help!!


Located in Chattahoochee Hills, GA. http://worthitfarms.com

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#2 2012-06-21 19:50:48

Maggiesdad
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Re: It's Time to Choose

WOW! What an awesome flock!  :congrats:

Soooo many choices!  What are your goals with the EO? Can you run three pens? (ie spiral breeding) Do you have chicken friends nearby willing to work with you on your project?

Not trying to put you on the spot, mind you, just trying to get a feel for what you want to do. You have many options, and I don't think any of them would be wrong.

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#3 2012-06-21 19:51:01

Flat Rock Farm
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Re: It's Time to Choose

Before I say anything, :welcome: WorthItFarms glad you could join us instead of "snooping" LOL

So as far as which roosters to keep, I personally would keep rooster #1 and #4, even though rooster #4 has white legs I think his feather colour is good (more to the true Marraduna) and paired with a yellow legged hen will get you 50/50 offspring.  As long as they have no side sprigs in their combs as well ( can't tell from the pictures).  I think the rest are either too light or too dark in feather colour.   Rooster #2 almost looks like a Zillaria EO.
Anyway that's just my personal opinion, others can add to it.  Regardless they are all beautiful and thank you for sharing them. :wine:

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#4 2012-06-22 04:10:32

skeffling lavender farm
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Re: It's Time to Choose

Yes welcome WorthItFarms! :US: :Canada: :welcome:

That is a great variety.  I personally would not keep or breed any roos that attack, fight or challenge you!  Some may see you as a hen and are just showing off a bit, and if one or two corrections (grabbing the scruff of the neck and holding them if they try to grab your wrist or hand) doesn't stop that dancing, I would pick ones that don't do that.  EOs are not shy, so if they are too pecky and strong they may be hard to work with over time.

I find the biggest smoothest shaped roos here are grey here with barely any brown and mine aren't friendly.  Big White is a nice build and might be best suited for a Zilarra (Ermine/white columbian type EO) breeding program.  Of the good temperament boys, for Maradunna, I'd be looking at I like your number 4 and I actually like Thunder Thighs too, he has the flat front we see a lot of the time, and my best boys here had big legs.  They all have a lot more filling out to do, I can see you have some nice wide boys now, you should see them in a  year! Something happened between 8-12 month and they widen up even more, even though they are already more like regular rooster size by fall.  I think number one is a good specimen too, but if he is evil, I wouldn't give him a chance as a breeder.  It is not that the offsprring will be bad, they just may be overly confident.  The temperement does seem to be quite strongly inherited, for the friendlies too which is why :EO:

Your dark knight, I have  a roo almost the same colour, Curly was the only choice 2 extras ago and has thrown some lovely offspring, but I think of the 5 roos,  his build at his age is not as imposing and strong and I probably wouldn't use him.  If his offspring are slower to fill out too, you may find it takes a while to get them hefty enough for the dinner table.

It's interesting your pretty hens are slower, ours are quick and greedy!  Rabid foragers!   All 3 are breedable.  It looks like you got 2 "Blondies" out for  3, Little Ann is probably the closest to colour we all seem to get them and one of the original trio that all these came from is a Blondie! She is now 4 years old.  I haven't seen a "blondie" with the as much localized  black like Millie.  Very pretty.  I think the other two are a nice big build, but in 12-18 months, Millie may well be the same size as them.  Some start off narrow little pullets then catch up and get the big fluffy bloomers too.  Thanks so much for posting the pics, it is great to see them being enjoyed all over North America now :applause:

Ask if you have more questions.  It is a little quiet on here with the summer and all the hatching slowing down, but there is so much info here and we have learned so much as  a group in the first/last year of the forum!  I am sure others will chime in when they log in. :thumbs:

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#5 2012-06-22 11:59:41

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Re: It's Time to Choose

:welcome: worthItFarms. Glad you have decided to post and with lots of pictures too! It would be so helpful if you could add your location to your profile if you could?

Your pair from greenfire, I like the pullet. The rooster has a bit too much grey (or not enough gold) and I am not fond of his comb. But as you say at least he is from separate parents so isn't a sibling or half sibling to your others. Greenfire's birds are related to Skyline's a couple generations back but then a few generations farther back ALL the EOs in North America are related and so far it has not caused many major issues.

#1 is a beautiful rooster for color, shape and size but you do need to consider his temperament. #4 i think has some good traits for a marraduna rooster, his size and shape seem pretty good but he does have too much grey. I think thunder thighs has a nice shape, there is an old photo in one of the publications from Spain with a EO rooster that looks alot like him. His color is too light.

Interesting your pullet seems a bit slow, mine are all quite smart although some prefer to stay outside and I have to carry them in every night as they see no reason to go to bed before dark which is after 11pm here this time of year. Little Ann seems to have good size and color.

Please let us know who you decide to keep!


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#6 2012-06-22 20:24:20

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Re: It's Time to Choose

poplar girl wrote:

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Interesting your pullet seems a bit slow, mine are all quite smart although some prefer to stay outside and I have to carry them in every night as they see no reason to go to bed before dark which is after 11pm here this time of year.
Please let us know who you decide to keep!

:funny: Twilight here is at 9:10 this time of year, if I go out and they see me, they start calling Dad! Dad! Dad! Dad! Dad! Dad!, fly out of the coop and come running to the edge of the pen.  I go to the door of the coop and they all march slowly up the ladder and I pet each one as I set them back in to shut the door. These guys kill me how they interact with people - the Barred Rocks and Black Australorps just explode to the far side of the pen when ever I come near... won't even come to cracked corn at my feet. Oh and the BAs go to roost a full hour earlier than the EOs... :huh:

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#7 2012-06-23 00:50:53

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Re: It's Time to Choose

Maggiesdad wrote:

poplar girl wrote:

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Interesting your pullet seems a bit slow, mine are all quite smart although some prefer to stay outside and I have to carry them in every night as they see no reason to go to bed before dark which is after 11pm here this time of year.
Please let us know who you decide to keep!

:funny: Twilight here is at 9:10 this time of year, if I go out and they see me, they start calling Dad! Dad! Dad! Dad! Dad! Dad!, fly out of the coop and come running to the edge of the pen.  I go to the door of the coop and they all march slowly up the ladder and I pet each one as I set them back in to shut the door. These guys kill me how they interact with people - the Barred Rocks and Black Australorps just explode to the far side of the pen when ever I come near... won't even come to cracked corn at my feet. Oh and the BAs go to roost a full hour earlier than the EOs... :huh:

MD even worse I don't even know what time it gets dark as I need to get up before 5am (it is light then too) so I never manage to stay up until dark!

EOs are night owls, my dorkings and Easter eggers always roost before the lights in the coop go out, not the EOs...why sleep when you can do stuff outside. Especially when your people will carry you to bed if you wait long enough!


Raising red cuckoo (marraduna) Euskal Oiloak and self blue (lavender) & black Belgian Bearded d'Uccles.

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#8 2012-06-23 00:55:38

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My Euskal Oiloak always are out until the last minute, but PG, my dorkings from you ate the very last! That is why my hen got into trouble this morning. She sleeps in the tree because she refuses to go in. Silly girl. Though. Ow I am just hoping for her recovery

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#9 2012-06-23 18:55:27

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Welcome from Canada, Nice group of EO's you have.  I think it has been said very well already.  I would like to ad that you should choose the roosters you like best. If you like the marraduna colour and can live with rooster one's attitude then he's your guy, if he drops his wing and runs circles around you he's just confusing you for a hen but if you can't trust him to attack you and you can't convince him to be nice the I have to tell you the EO roosters taste delicious!  If you would like to try to breed Zilarra then rooster 2 would be a good option and if you like the millie fleure looks of some of the EO's I believe rooster 4 would be the guy for you.  For hens I really like your little Ann. 
I run an electric flock net and my chickens go in and out all day and all night.  The EO's are outside when we are done chores at night and the EO's are outside when I get to the barn to milk the cows in the morning.  The only time I see them inside is when they want some feed or if it is really hot and sunny outside.
I don't think your EO's are dumb, I think they have you trained to put them into the house.  EO's seem to love humans when other breeds try to get out of our way the EO's always come around to check out what we are doing.


Herd of Brown Swiss, a few sheep, red cuckoo basque, Silverspangled Appenzeller Spitzhauben, ameraucanas(EE), Welsummer, broodie silkies and a few more heritage hens

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#10 2012-06-25 21:37:22

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OH! So they aren't fighting they are just trying to mate me?! They always drop the shoulder/wing closest to me and flare out the one farthest from me, then run up to me and run in circles. Only twice have any of them actually tried to strike/bite me.  And they've been thumped mid-air each time. They squack and run a little ways off when it happens and usually don't bother me again until I come out later in the day. So what would "fighting" with me look like? A frontal assault? lol


Located in Chattahoochee Hills, GA. http://worthitfarms.com

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#11 2012-06-25 23:36:02

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I know with the ones that I had, they always attacked me when I had my back turned, only a couple of times did they come at me head on.  They are no longer here :whistle:

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#12 2012-06-25 23:40:38

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Did you sh sh sh sh ship them to Si Si Si Si Siberia?! :snowman: :nervous:


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#13 2012-06-25 23:44:44

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Re: It's Time to Choose

No she told me they were pullets and sh ash shipped them here :funny: :funny: :funny:


Some of us are driven by the need to make animals a part of our lives. We are soothed by their presence, fascinated by their behavior, and amused by their antics.

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#14 2012-06-26 02:13:22

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:funny: :funny: :funny:  Sorry LL, at least I gave you Manny the friendly one!!

You watch it Glen, or I will sh sh ship them to VA next :US: :funny:

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#15 2012-07-02 19:41:38

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Re: It's Time to Choose

Got pictures of the other girls today. Given, not great photos, but you get the idea.

Hen #4: No name
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/IMGA0003.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/IMGA0001.jpg

Hen #5:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/IMGA0002.jpg

And then Millie and Little Ann again
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/INOCNTKITN187/IMGA0004.jpg



Edited to add:

Little Ann has not had any trouble lately getting back to the coop. It takes her longer to find a hole she's comfortable popping through in the fence, but she's never late.

Millie is still not too clever. Every evening I go out and find her on the chain link/chicken wire roosting on the OUTside of the coop. Oh Millie!

Big Mama proved she may be slow to react but she's no idiot. We couldn't find her to put her up in the coop last night and sadly concluded an owl or night hawk had gotten her. This morning she was standing by the coop door asking when the others could come out with her, LOL! Even more impressive because a domestic dog attacked my goats last night, but Big Mama stayed VERY hidden.

Oh! And Big Red has calmed down about the dancing and chasing us lately. The fighting amongst the boys is getting worse, but it's directed at us less. I think we will be keeping him. Big White has been getting worse about confronting us. He's too quick for me to grab and tote around like I did with Red. I'm sure Red was slightly humiliated by being totted around and carried on his back. It worked though. Now to just catch Big White!

I think I found a home for Rooster #4. If anyone is interested in Thunder Thighs, please let me know!

Last edited by WorthItFarms (2012-07-02 19:50:27)


Located in Chattahoochee Hills, GA. http://worthitfarms.com

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#16 2012-07-14 16:36:43

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Re: It's Time to Choose

We have decided to keep Big Red and Big White, all other roosters are for sale. The Greenfire pair may be bought, but only together and with guaranteed chicks/eggs back. If anyone wants one of the roosters, speak quickly. They are headed to the stew pot soon.


Located in Chattahoochee Hills, GA. http://worthitfarms.com

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#17 2012-07-14 17:03:29

skeffling lavender farm
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Re: It's Time to Choose

Oh I hope you find homes for them, especially Thunder thighs.  If I was closer I would be very tempted. :doI?:

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